SPEAKER_03: 0:13

Oh man, all right, we just hopped out the paddy wagon, all right. You got me and Lil Webb. Lil Webb in the house, and we are here at the Respecting Perspectives Podcast. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, blessed to have everybody here joining us. And um, man, I have a uh one of a kind, shining, bright AF artist from Baltimore who's just been making rounds. He's been putting so much energy and time and attention into his craft. And um it's beautiful to be able to share the scene with this young man. You know, tell him, tell him a little bit about yourself, give him some history, kind of where you came from and uh how you ended up in this seat.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02

Look, uh Wes Baltimore just doing music, uh recording both of us at the lineup. Shout out, shout out Moose, me with Moose, you with Brandon, shout out Brandad, Teams, Brandadio. Brandio, shout out to being a father for real. For sure. But um, yeah, that's where we met, and that's where, you know, we started hanging out. I was an intern mainly. That's how I got in your sessions. Yeah. I forgot about that. Chilling your sessions, and you know, just just just get the vibe and understand what's going on at the studio. Yeah. So that would and you know, just having talks with you, and you know, you're a cool dude. Oh, thanks, man. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate that. I wouldn't be here if you weren't a cool dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42

Right, right. I'm super excited to have you here, man. Gosh, you know, there's so many things that we can talk about today. I think the the thing we should dive right into is, you know, creativity itself, because you I I'm sure you pride yourself in you know the creative manner that you have brought to your music. And um, you know, we're we're gonna bounce around a little bit, but uh yeah, I want you to to tell everybody about like where your creativity comes from.

SPEAKER_00: 2:13

Uh it really comes from like doing musical theater. Yeah. That's really where it is. Like, I'm not like a big like movie guy. I like watch television. You know, we all watch shows. Right, right. But like I don't watch like daytime television as people do now generally. I don't watch like reality TV. Yeah. I'll watch like stuff on streaming every once in a while. I'll watch stuff on YouTube, but like the physical being there and doing the acting, doing the singing, that's what like I really like grew up doing and learning the history of that and really figuring out why the music is the way it is, because it's not just the piece of music, it's based on the story based around it, too. So that's really a big part of how I create my music. To me, my entire catalog as it is, is like one big show. I like the way it's like one big stage production, there's different characters, there's different um perspectives that you view it from, there's different rooms that you walk into, there's different places to go, think different things that are being done, different lifestyles being lived, but it's all really based on like my life. Yeah. Essentially, it's really just based on what I've done, people I've been around. Um, and just like the stories that I could tell people. I was telling my homegirl this the other day. Like, if I had to just describe one person in my life, in one of these stories in my life, it would take me all day just to describe the one person. That's cool though. And like I describe to my friends like my life is like a movie, except like when you watch the movie and it's like you're six, and then it jumps to like you being 14. Yeah, I'm the period of time that's seven to thirteen. You don't that's I'm the part of the movie you don't see. I'm the entire part of the movie you don't see, and that's like really how I put my music together. Nice. Because you know, you can experience things and you tell people stuff, and they're like, there's no way that happened. And you're like, well, if you say that to my mom, yeah, who was right there. Like, I got proof, don't you? Yeah, she's like gonna say your bullshit.

SPEAKER_03: 4:26

So tell us a little bit about your acting career and kind of what how you know that has taught you to um navigate, you know, life itself and and and your music.

SPEAKER_00: 4:39

Well, acting and music are really like synonymous in my life. So I started doing them both when I was like 11 years old, seventh grade, dude, changing in for real. Uh really like you know, that's a transitional part for all of us in our lives. Seventh grade, going in eighth grade, going into high school. It's really a transitional period for you to figure out who you are and what you're doing. It is. And I just got thrusted into doing the music part at my school, and with that came musical theater. So it was just it's just common at my school to if you do chorus and you do music, to be a part of the show if you're not, at least auditioning, you know, because uh some of the band kids, some of the orchestra kids are in the orchestra for the show as well. So, and uh there's members of the student body that are parts of the crew, so it's very much like a school thing for us to put this production on. So that's where they both kind of just came hand in hand for me. I started doing one and the other one just came right along with it. And I didn't do like a straight uh stage play until my freshman year high school, and that was by accident. Like I I was What was it?

SPEAKER_03: 5:52

What was the play? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00: 5:53

We were doing Midsummer Night Stream. Oh shoot, okay, shall we? And what is it? It's um Lysander. That's who I played as Lysander. And Shakespeare's hard. Dude. Shakespeare's hard. And I I didn't have like any desire to really like do the show. But at that age, I'm sure. The director wanted me to do it. He was my teacher for one of my classes, he really wanted me to do it. So it ended up me going to call back, so I ended up doing well. And that worked out for me. Nice. But like, yeah, that like that was a hard experience for me. It took me until like the day of opening night for me to really like have my lines pretty like close to what they're exactly supposed to be. Because you know it's a rhythm, and that can that feeds into the music thing too of acting as a rhythm. There's different when you when you do scenes, you have different beats, they call it, in a scene where that you hit. So that the emotion or the feel of the scene changes, the direction, the tone changes however you want to describe it. Um, and that's that's uh pretty much how I see my music too. A part a big part of musical theater is you just like live music, the the band follows you. The band follows you. Great. So when I write my songs, like the beat is following me. I'm telling the beat where to go. We're going on this adventure together. And yes, I'm listening to the beat over and over again to write the mu to write the words, but it's telling me what needs to be said so that when I say it, it sounds like it's doing it because I said to do that.

SPEAKER_03: 7:30

I like how you put that because most people would say um that the beat is kind of guiding them, you know, it's kind of in front of them. But I like the way you put that, where you know, the beat itself is uh or is following you.

SPEAKER_00: 7:44

Well, think about live music, right? When you go to see a live band, if the singer is dragging, you feel that.

SPEAKER_01: 7:53

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 7:54

You feel that when the singer is really pushing that band and pushing the tempo, and everybody's really like together, and this is how we're moving, and yeah, it really feels like there's a driving force in behind the musicality and the the emotion and what's happening sonically in your ears, you feel a lot better at that show, right? Regardless of the tone of the music, of if it's supposed to be sad, if it's supposed to be hype, you know what I'm saying? It's it get you like feel that energy of like this is really getting me going. Like, I'm really feeling it. Like, I'll tell you, my first real like concert experience was at Bonnaroo. Oh, so and I can't tell you how different of an experience that was for me as a young child because it was at a old were you? Um, I was maybe like 12. Okay. But this was this was Bonnaroo where Thrift Shop was the biggest thing. Oh shit. Fucking problems was on the radio every day, and Good Kid Mad City had just came out.

SPEAKER_03: 9:04

Oh, dude, damn.

SPEAKER_00: 9:06

And when I tell you, I was so excited to sit at that stage knowing that it was McLamore, ASAP Brocky, and then Kendrick back to back. But I was with my grandparents, so they weren't trying to hear all that. So we looked at the Macklemore. That is too funny, dog. Yeah, I look, I would look, I can tell people I was there to see in person why he beat Kendrick out for that Grammy.

SPEAKER_03: 9:26

Oh damn. All right, all right. Drop the mic on that. You know what I'm saying? But no. Go let me let's let's pivot. Uh go to the the acting itself. Um, who was there who's your favorite actor or actress?

SPEAKER_00: 9:41

Um I don't really like have like a favorite actor per se. I do really like Matthew McConaughey. Okay. I I do really appreciate Matthew McConaughey, how he approaches his roles. Because you know he's not like all the time like super serious. I really do like Jim Carrey as well. Jim Carrey's great. Oh shit, for sure. But um and Jim, I really like Jim Carrey because he can get into that character.

SPEAKER_01: 10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 10:06

He really he really takes his entire body into the acting. Like um, like, you know, people love the mask. I love Ace Ventura.

SPEAKER_03: 10:15

Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_00: 10:16

Ace Ventura, Bruce Almighty. Truman show? Truman show is great.

SPEAKER_03: 10:21

That sh that that I mean that movie fucking did change things, you know, and I think like somebody like Jim Carrey was one of those actors that uh like before like method acting, dude, like he was one of like the creators of like what a method actor did, but they didn't have a term for it, you know. They it was that was just like him giving a thousand percent to the role itself, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 10:50

Well, before well, if we really want to take it back, right? Because before screen, there was stage, and Broadway has always been the place to go for your stage, right? Good point. Um yeah, method acting is very different in the concept. Yes, it's it's a different concept, but character acting is very important. That's I feel like that's really more what Jim Carrey does. Jim Carrey really gets into the character. Like Keith Ledger is very much a method actor where he really is embodying the character the entire time. Um, if we I forget who it was, but one of Jim Carrey's ex-wives said the reason she divorced him was because he's like that all the time. He's not that's not him playing a like that's not him playing the role. He's just like that. He really just delves entirely into the character, but he just has that energy all the time. The character fits him. Yeah, the character fits him. So his energy just really gels with these very off the wall, very charismatic, out there characters because that's just who he is.

SPEAKER_03: 11:58

Just imagine getting paid for acting just to be yourself, yeah. Like, dude, that's gotta be like the the most like freeing uh experience ever, you know? And then it, you know, not to you know talk bad though, like about actors, but like think like an actor gets paid to not be themselves. Like, and this ties right into like this exactly, you know. Yeah, think about that. Like an actor gets paid to literally not be themselves, and like think about like had how how high of a level of like respect they get, and like, you know, it kind of makes us think about the way that we like the opinions that we have and and idols, you know, that we have. Um, but I have to say that my favorite actor is uh Robin Williams.

SPEAKER_00: 12:48

Okay, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 12:49

Rest in peace, you know, and man, somebody like that really inspired me from a very young age to be a character. Okay, you know, in your movie. And don't just like don't be just be like that person sitting at the table in the background, like fucking, you're Mrs. Doubtfire in this bitch. You know what I mean? And like there might be times where you have to like take on a different persona, you know. There might be times where you know you have to just perfectly be yourself, you know, and it's crazy to uh think about that. I want to do a song dedicated to Robin Williams. Okay. And like kind of like a lot of like it's gonna be real nostalgic, and it's going to have um, I'd love to have stay on, dude. Try and like, if if I don't talk about this in the next like few months, be like, yo, what about that Robin Williams project? Because I need I need that. And I want to have like different scenes from his movies in the music video. Okay. And the final one is gonna be the food fight from Hook.

SPEAKER_00: 14:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 14:04

Yeah, where it's the it's the different color mashed potatoes just like getting flung all over the place. I mean, remember that scene, remember that scene? Like, just remember like thinking about like, you're like, where are they going with this at first, you know, especially as a kid, you know, you're like, what's going on here? And then you slowly start to see that development, you know? And man, dude, it's crazy. It really helps you make those connections in life that are like in the back of your head, like, you know, you you gotta create the the the colorful ass mashed potatoes that are fucking, you know, sitting in front of you. Um, yeah, man. Gosh, it makes me it's crazy to just like think about that, you know what I mean? Um, dude, let's talk a little bit about we were we were speaking about the difference between making songs and making music, you know, and like what's the difference between that and like the ease of accessibility to be able to make music, you know, nowadays.

SPEAKER_00: 15:11

So like, you know, it's very easy for you to go to the store and buy all the equipment if you can afford it to make music at home. You know, you don't necessarily have you know, you can get beats off YouTube. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to pay for everything. Free type beat. But um when you go to school for music, you learn a lot about music that isn't really public knowledge in the sense of just what drives these forces of what you're hearing. Oh, that's a good thought. These all these pieces that come together to create this thing that you sonically enjoy. And a lot of people lack that education. You know, there's um I saw a talk one time where the men where the guy had mentioned where technically, as long as you you remain in the scale, which isn't hard to do, it's eight notes, you there is no wrong note for the next note. There's technically no wrong note. They all fit together in the scale, that's what they're meant to do, is to be played after another. Right. But you can decipher through trial and error, you know, whether you like something or not. And sometimes if you don't have the education to figure out what it is, you can't determine whether or not you like it.

SPEAKER_01: 16:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 16:36

And that is where the hard part comes into creating the art part of the music and not just making the songs, right? So like one of the I think it was Paula Picasso said you have to learn how to make art to then break the rules to make art. You have to learn the rules first so that you know you have to learn, you know, we do the paint in numbers. We do the paint by numbers thing, we get we get coloring books. Yeah, we have to learn how to fill in those spaces so that when we don't have the lines anymore, we know what to do. Oh, I like it. Not in the sense of we can copy it exactly verbatim, but I want this to go here, and I want this to go over here, and I want that, but I want this to be this color when I put it over here. Uh-huh. This can stay where it's at. That's fine, but maybe like we'll just tone down the saturation a little bit. It won't be as bright of a yellow, it'll be a little more pale or something like that. You know, like you can really decipher what makes your art yours once you know how to actually make the art.

SPEAKER_03: 17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:40

And a lot of people skip the learning how to make the art part.

SPEAKER_03: 17:42

I like the the point that you made. Um, you have to learn the rules, you know, uh uh or you know, learn art itself before you can know how to break the, yeah, break, break that uh in a way. And that's dude, that's so cool. Um, and let's talk about like the ease, let's dig more into that, the ease of accessibility now. So do you think that there's there's a lot of people out there that are kind of have access to all these tools now and are you know making music these days? Is it is is it sat is it a saturated market or like talk about that?

SPEAKER_00: 18:20

What do they say? There's like 50,000 songs come out every day or whatever. Yeah, or something, some stupid number. But what's a way to like put this where it's not like being rude? I mean, you can be rude if you want. You know, there's a we all make we all we all are creative, everybody is creative. However, that creativity manifests is different for everybody, but you also have to recognize if the thing that I'm channeling my creativity into is actually what's meant for me, right? So, like there's a place for bad stuff, bad stuff when it comes to art. There's a place for bad stuff. There's a place for it. There's a place for it because if you don't have bad stuff, you will never know what is good. Thus, you will never know what is actually great because you will never understand what is truly good because there's nothing bad. When we and you know, we can convince ourselves that everything is good because it is made with the intent that somebody made it with intent or with purpose or just an expression of themselves, and that is fine.

SPEAKER_03: 19:26

That is fine.

SPEAKER_00: 19:27

That is fine. It is great to express yourself. It is, it is a great thing to express yourself, but you don't always have to express yourself through X medium. You know what I'm saying? Yep. So you can express yourself in other ways. I don't necessarily have to hear your songs. Maybe you are really good at painting. Yeah. Maybe you are really good at painting. I don't need to hear your songs.

SPEAKER_01: 19:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 19:48

Might not be your style, might not be your, you know. You know, maybe maybe you get your expression out through teaching a class of some kind. Maybe you are a teacher, maybe you are an engineer, an architect. May that you can get your creativity out in other ways. Maybe you just really like listening to music. Yeah, yeah. You know, we um we had had previous conversations on if you're just making music like someone else, I can listen to somebody else. I can listen to another person. If you're if you're sitting in your house all day just trying to make a song that sounds like Beyonce, yeah, I can go listen to Beyonce.

SPEAKER_03: 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:30

Who's already in my head, who's already not only already in my head, but established and is great at what she does. She very much knows her audience and knows how to make music for her audience. I can go listen to Beyonce. I don't need to figure out if I like you or not.

SPEAKER_01: 20:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:46

If you make something that is truly yours and is authentic to yourself, that's a different conversation. For sure. We can really get into the art aspect and the creativity of it and and really I can have the question to myself do I like, do I not like this because it's not for me, or do I not like this because it's bad? And most of the and if it's really somebody delving into their art and you don't like it, it's probably just because it's not for you. Yeah. It may not be because it's bad. Right. It might just be because it's not for you.

SPEAKER_03: 21:09

And don't get it confoused either, you know? Right.

SPEAKER_00: 21:14

Like I'm not, I'm not the biggest Deft Tones fan. I happen to like women who like Deaf Tones. Do I force myself to listen to Deaf Tones when they're not around? No. No. Because I play enough Deaf Tones. Play enough Deaf Tones for me. I will play whatever I want else I want to listen to. All right. But I just, it just doesn't do anything for me. It's not necessarily that it's bad music. Obviously, it's not bad. Somebody likes it.

SPEAKER_03: 21:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:43

Obviously it's not bad.

SPEAKER_03: 21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:45

But it's just not for me.

SPEAKER_03: 21:46

You know, it's funny when when you when you said that, it made me think about like uh when I'm performing or I have like a performance, you know, at night. Usually during the day, I'm not like listening to that. Like I'm not like, you know, I'll I'll rehearse it, you know, beforehand, obviously. But like during that, that build up to like before my actual performances, it's usually just like kind of just like meditation type like music. It's it's just stuff that can kind of really like help keep me like centered and grounded so that that way, you know, when the performance occurs, I can really, you know, give it a a thousand percent, you know, and it doesn't feel like it's um, you know, it doesn't feel like it's forced at all, you know. Um let's see, talk I want you to talk about some of the ways that you have invested in yourself and some of your projects and yeah, some of the the resources that you had to put into some of your projects because I think we should be, you know, teaching younger artists that, you know, it's it's not all glitter and gold like you expect or or see on TikTok or or Instagram. You know, there's a lot of money, uh, time, attention, energy, focus that goes into making that stuff before anyone even gets to experience or see it.

SPEAKER_00: 23:16

Yeah, so like we had um we had a conversation before about my Horacle album.

SPEAKER_03: 23:20

That I had Wait, wait, shout out. He's got an album out right now called Horacle. How do you spell it? W H O.

SPEAKER_00: 23:27

W H O R A C L E.

SPEAKER_03: 23:30

Alright, listen, go stream that right now.

SPEAKER_00: 23:33

Indeed, I appreciate you. Yeah, dude. But like I had a so I had a set budget for that. I had a budget of about 20 grand for that album. And maybe like a quarter of it. Wait, did you say 20 grand? Yeah. Okay. And maybe like a quarter of that went to just getting the beats, a quarter of that went to just like the general mixing mastering process. Um, had money had spent money on a couple features. Um, you know, a lot of the final mastering process was spent in that final half, but also I part of my budget was I had gotten um accepted for an artist residency in in Mexico City. Yeah, remember so it for those of you who are unaware, because it's not really like the word residency is used differently in music than it is in the traditional art world. Okay. So how we are familiar with like the Vegas residency, how you go and you perform for like a month, a couple, not month, you really it's for a couple years, you have a Vegas residency. But that's so but an artist residency is really you go somewhere, you go to location, you stay there for a designated amount of time, and you are focusing on working on your art. You are trying to expand your art, um, expand your mind, um, really delve into your creativity in a very focused manner. That's really what it's for. So that's what I was. Do you have any intentions going into that? Yeah. So my main intent was to make a project solely for the artist, regardless of your medium, your genre, an a piece of music solely for artist consumption. That would be the con Renaissance project I put out last Valentine's. Nice. So, which is not available on Spotify because of problems, but it's whatever. Put this to the side. It's on everything else. You can look at those into everywhere else. It's on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03: 25:21

Find it.

SPEAKER_00: 25:22

But um Renaissance. Okay. But um, that yeah, that the whole purpose is really for if I'm somebody who makes art, if I really consider myself an artist, what is important to me? What is important to me in my creation of the art? Because the entire point of art is to make people feel something.

SPEAKER_03: 25:41

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00: 25:43

To evoke emotion, to evoke feeling, to so when you when you leave, you go, my money was well spent. I really like or that got me that got me feeling something I haven't felt in a while.

SPEAKER_03: 25:56

Or like, oh, that was like that wasn't it.

SPEAKER_00: 25:59

That wasn't it? That wasn't it. Because, you know, there's like the the banana tape to the wall. People think that's not art. Dude. And it can be considered art depends on who you are.

SPEAKER_03: 26:08

Yeah. Although the money that's involved with like that seems a little absurd.

SPEAKER_00: 26:14

Like the the amount that could go behind Well, the amount that goes so the the monetary value we most often see is the purchasing price at the gallery, not the actual amount of money that they spent making the piece of art. Oh, I believe, yeah, yeah, I understand. So, and that's all, you know, that's really based on opinion. More often than not, those are usually auctions. And, you know, if a AWOL is willing, he's like, I want I want the banana, I want the banana wall, I'll spend a hundred grand and I go and I go, fuck AWOL, I really want the banana. I might drop 500 grand just to be like, no, you can't have it.

SPEAKER_01: 26:53

I want it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 26:54

And that, you know, and that determines in the traditional art world, that really determines part of the value. So we let's solve different from music.

SPEAKER_03: 27:01

How much did you know you do you know how much that the banana tape to the wall went for? Not off the top of my head, no, I do not. I think it went for like$10 million. So like a lot of money. Are you are you paying for like that's not even you're paying for the concept at that point? Yeah, but then like think about like a banana goes bad.

SPEAKER_00: 27:21

Like it's also it's also a tax write-off, but Okay, good point. But it is at that point, you are paying for the concept, which the concept is the art, not the actual physical banana and the being taped to the wall. That that is no longer the art.

SPEAKER_03: 27:39

So, do you know, did they get to like take that home? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious of that, honestly.

SPEAKER_00: 27:45

But there's there's people who sell art to galleries and is blank pieces. People have sold sculptures to galleries that are nothing. Actual just nothing. Just a it's air. It's air. It's just here's your here's your plate. There's nothing on it. There's your statue.

SPEAKER_03: 28:04

How do you hand that off? You know what I mean? Hey, you hand it off, yeah, yeah, right. It's yours now, baby.

SPEAKER_00: 28:09

Yeah, but you know, and and that and that really also gets into the art conversation, right? Of what is really art to you? What cre what evokes emotion for you, what create what evokes feeling for you, what for you really makes doing the art worth it? Because getting that off might you that might get you something. Just the fact, like, yo, they really sold this thing, this thing of nothing for 500 grand. I really that really that really made me feel something. I even I might be able to do that, but that really made me feel something. Oh, that's a good point. That that made me like just really invigorated one way or the other. Yeah. Or however you feel like that a lot. That it really brought something out of me, and you know, maybe I'll go ten times harder on my job because somebody bought a banana for$500,000. That's a great point, dude. You know, not even just like I can make a piece of art that sells for that much, be like, oh, if they can sell a banana for$500,000, take it to a wall. I'm a double. I can go to my job and I can get paid. I can get I can go to my job and I can really work right now and I can get promoted. I can get my I can get my joint right.

SPEAKER_03: 29:20

Yeah, dude, that's a great, that's a great uh silver lining, I think, to to that thought. Um gosh, when it comes to the residency itself, do you feel like you um it was it was a successful venture?

SPEAKER_00: 29:33

And it was very successful. My whole so outside of the work aspect, my goal was to go somewhere because this would be the first official like vacation I took by myself. Oh, sure. As an adult. Okay. So this was like a way for me to really go outside of my house, leave my responsibilities at home, and really just like feel something. Yeah. Just feel something other than out in the world, somewhere out in the world, just be there. I'm Did not really know Spanish. I'm still kind of like learning. I don't really know. I don't really speak Spanish. I do not don't do not ask me no questions. Don't ask me what nothing means. I don't know. But being but being somewhere where I look like the people that live there. Good point. And that's not only me saying that, but that's them telling me by asking me questions in Spanish and being surprised that I speak English. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, like it was it was really just a great experience to be away from my regular life to just solely be into my art and be into my creative zone. And I could just walk around and experience the world as it is and not really have to think about anything except my own safety. Was there any were there any other artists in this? There was um there was another artist there. He had a very interesting when I was there was other artists that went through the program. Okay. There was only one other artist there while I was there. Gotcha. He had at one point, he had made like a giant set of angel wings. And I don't know what else he made. He made some other stuff, but they were like hanging outside because we we had like an outside courtyard area on the second floor of where we were staying at. And they were just hanging up outside, and I was like, you know what? That's a sign. That's fucking cool. That is cool. That is cool. Just be just open it. I can just open my windows while I'm just blasting my music, chilling, smoking my grass, and going, you know what?

SPEAKER_01: 31:29

That's fucking cool.

SPEAKER_03: 31:30

Angels exist, they're out there, you know. Their wings are just chilling. Um, did was he a uh a musical artist?

SPEAKER_00: 31:37

No, he was like a traditional, like gotcha, put stuff together. Gotcha. Um, I wasn't not very sure of what his medium exactly was, but the angel wings, whoever knows what putting that together as part of medium, dude. Putting that together, whatever medium that is, he'd he was that was his thing.

SPEAKER_03: 31:55

Thriving.

SPEAKER_02: 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 31:56

Uh let's see your man. It's cool to think about that. And you know what, man? You actually just kind of inspired me to plan something for the next year for myself, and that is uh a vacation. Actually, sorry, I'm not I'm not gonna call it a vacation. Um I actually let's call it a residency, but like in my own terms, you know, where I take, you know, it can be, you know, four days or like a weekend, you know, where I just go somewhere, get an Airbnb to myself, you know, and um really go with the intention.

SPEAKER_00: 32:39

You know that's my jam, right? What? So me and Moose have done that. Oh, really? So so we I'm planning on doing another one. So we did one in 2019, it was me, Moose, and D Skills Harris, shout out skills, but um, it was the three of us, and other people came through, shout out Blackboy, shout out Chunk, but um, and shout out uh Dub J, who came through for a couple of days. But um, so really we I booked a cabin in Massachusetts out in the sticks. We drove up and I brought my studio equipment with me. We set up to record in the kitchen. Moose had put his laptop up and his monitors up on the counter. I set up the mic standing all down the other side by the stove and all that shit. Yep. And we just got busy for two weeks. Two weeks? Yeah, two weeks. Just got busy. Just we were up there when because skills was first up in the morning, skills would get up, start recording. By the time he was done, I'll wake up. So I'll wait, I'll wake up, get myself together, you know, cook, cook food, wake Moose up.

SPEAKER_01: 33:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 33:41

We're now we're all gonna get ready. Now we can all eat, you know, get settled in together and get to work.

SPEAKER_03: 33:48

So I need to do that, but I need to bring, I need to bring like a uh an engineer, I think would be super helpful. Um, and then maybe uh have like a an artist or two kind of pop in. Yeah, that's a great idea, dude. I'm gonna I'm gonna do that sometime this year. Thanks for uh inspiring.

SPEAKER_00: 34:04

Yeah, look, that was so like we got a lot of songs done in that period of time. Skills, because his he would work at his own pace. So he got I know he got his own badge of stuff done outside of what we got done together. We got a bunch of stuff done together. I got stuff done by myself. It was a great time. We you know, we we were out in the middle of nowhere, so it wasn't really like we could go out and like do stuff, but that was I I did that on purpose. Like I didn't I didn't really want us to have that distraction. That it was really it was really a test run for us, and that really got I really think it got the juices flowing because you were you're really locked in with your your people. Yeah, you're you got you can't go nowhere. We had like we had TV, so like um I think Skills brought us PlayStation with them, so they you they would play games in the other room. Oh, yeah, we would vibe out and when we're not working, change this, change the scenes. Yeah, when we're not working, you know, we we chill, hang out. There was a hammock upstairs, we like you know, take naps or whatever throughout the day. But when it's like time to actually work, we can sit there and really get to the nitty-gritty and not really have any outside opinions. Like, you know, because even when you're at the studio, it's a good idea. Even when you're at the studio, you know, people might pop in every once in a while, or even like the engineer might get a text like, yo, can you turn that down your speakers down real quick or being too loud? We didn't have any of that. We had no outside influences because we were we booked the spot. Yeah. We had neighbors, but like they were like 50 feet away. You know, we had we had a little bit of space, we had a little wiggle room, you know. If we if we had like we're in there with all the windows rolled off, like and we were blasting, you know, they would have been like, yo, cut it out.

SPEAKER_02: 35:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:38

But that's not how we were rocking. Right, right. So like it was really like we could sit in there and really get to what we're trying to get at.

SPEAKER_01: 35:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:47

What is the core essence of this thing? Like, we can, you know, record, because you know, we that when you're really in the studio all all day, you have the freedom of going, I'm gonna record this real quick, but I don't necessarily have to keep it if I don't like it. I might just record something on this beat, just as like practice can. Yeah, just as practice, just as practice. Like, I'm just writing this real quick to get my mind working. So when I'm getting to the song that I really want to get to, but by the time I'm there, I'm really like in the zone. In the zone. Yeah, so we so we could just knock our stuff all day. And it was it was really freeing artistic experience. Nice. When when was this?

SPEAKER_01: 36:26

This was uh June, June 2019. Okay, yeah. Um, is it is that something that you'd want to do again?

SPEAKER_00: 36:33

Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm trying to figure out how to plan another one, you know, it's just logistics, right? On how to get it done. So I I fronted the bill for the spot last time. I, you know, and when you book things on Airbnb or whatever, and you're expecting a certain amount of people, you have to you you're expected to book for that amount of people. I made that mistake, and that amount of people do not show up. So I have to like just you know, you have to reevaluate reevaluate how you do things. That's why it was a test run. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03: 37:01

So So we go back to that real quick because I need to learn this. Uh so what you say that there's only a certain amount of people that are gonna be there, you don't tell them that there's gonna be like 20 people overall, you just tell them there's only gonna be like three. Yeah. Four. Why? You pay more?

SPEAKER_00: 37:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 37:16

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00: 37:16

Yeah, you pay per person. It's like just like just like go booking at a hotel. Yeah. Pay per person per room. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha. So like you're booking the spot. And at least how I booked it through Expedia, through Verbo or whatever. That's how like they gotcha. They were doing it.

SPEAKER_03: 37:28

But let's let's talk a little bit before we before we move on, like logistically too.

SPEAKER_00: 37:33

Like you have to under, like, if you're gonna go somewhere, right? What equipment are you taking with you?

SPEAKER_03: 37:38

Right?

SPEAKER_00: 37:38

You have to so you have to figure out, you know, if I'm if I'm just taking my mic and my laptop, that's all I'm taking. I'm not taking a stand, I'm not taking no speakers, I'm just taking my mic and my laptop. I can fly wherever I want to. But if you're bringing equipment with you, oh, good thought. You have to go, okay, if I'm gonna fly somewhere, I have to pay to bring this extra luggage with me. Do you need a rental car for all that good stuff? And if you're gonna go somewhere that you can drive yourself, do I really want to drive this distance? You know, how far do I have to drive? You know, do I have enough room in my car for all the stuff that I'm taking with me? You know, you have to, you know, there's a lot of logistics to go into stuff like that. And you have to remember that because that all figure that all figures into your budget. Of course. As an artist. So that's you know, it how you have to remember how much money you're actually putting into something because you can't go broke doing what you're supposed to do. You can't do that. And that's something I really want to get across as well. Like, you cannot go broke doing the art thing. Yes, being a starving artist is cool and all that. Like, that's like it seems fun.

SPEAKER_03: 38:34

And the word starving artist, literally. I mean, yeah, think about that.

SPEAKER_00: 38:38

Yeah, but like, and yes, that does push people to like get to where they're going sometimes, but you know, it ain't cool to be hungry. Like, yeah, normally like being hungry. It ain't cool. Like, it ain't cool to not have nowhere to live. Like, it ain't that ain't cool. Like, that ain't cool in the sense of you yourself do not feel cool doing it. You are not enjoying doing that thing. That's not a fun thing that you're doing. So, like, you know, don't go broke doing the thing, but like you can you can do cool, you can do cool stuff in your creative work with the money that you have.

SPEAKER_03: 39:06

Yeah, that's a good point, right? Like, don't don't try and put yeah, too much or like even like exit exceed your expectations as far as you know uh budget itself. But I think yeah, it's important. I think even like just undertone message is like having a budget, you know, making sure that you are thinking about those things ahead of time. And um, you know, most of the time, word to the wise budget usually doesn't fit in like, you know, what what you think it's gonna be. It's usually gonna be more than what you expect. So you kind of wanna, you know, you want to do that planning so that that way you're not going broke. And uh, you know, yeah, it's sometimes it's gonna take some test runs. Sometimes it's gonna take you uh, you know, going through some experiences that are going to teach you, okay, like this is this is good for the project, you know, this maybe isn't. Or I think I think the the coolest part about this though is that like we have the ability to um you know to do that, you know, and like the fact that like we can literally like go to this like location and like really focus in, you know, is a beautiful thing. Um, and I wanted you to talk a little bit about like when it comes to like songwriting itself, um, you know, what what's your process with that?

SPEAKER_00: 40:33

Um it depends on the type of song I'm writing, I guess. So like if I'm just rapping all the way through, like I'm just front to back, there's no hook, there's no like separation of verses, that's it. I'm just trying to be, I'm just trying to have fun. Just trying to have fun, just trying to be smart in a way that is consumable to to other people. Um, if I'm but like when I'm putting together a project, I'm really trying to get a point across.

SPEAKER_01: 41:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 41:06

So like for Horacle, Horacle is part of a three-part series. Oh, really? So the album I'm working on now, Himbo, which will be coming out sometime around May, that's the sec that'll be the follow-up, the official follow-up to Horacle. But Horacle is really based on the idea that not only do are we doomed to repeat history if we do not learn from it, but time is a circle. We will continue to do the same things over and over again as people because there's only so much on the planet we can do.

SPEAKER_01: 41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 41:40

And Horacle is really representative of 1920s to the 1930s. Oh wow. That's really the point of time that that project's supposed to represent because there's lots of things during the Great Depression that happened that we saw over the period of the pandemic. We saw people like really hurting for money. We saw people really hurting for money. We saw people really hurting for health benefits and stuff and health care. And the price for stuff, inflation went was crazy for a lot of people. Like the way that the price for stuff went up for low-income communities, that was very detrimental.

SPEAKER_01: 42:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 42:24

So noticeable. It's very reflective of that period of time because if you not to say not to down people who are not in a position to save money, because sometimes you are not in a position to save money, and that's okay. Some people are living check to check, and that is okay. You get by how you get by. But if you are in a position to save and you just made the conscious choice not to, you saw what happens to you when you don't. And you and a lot of people had a wake-up call. Like I I was what it was 2020, I was like 22 at the time. And I'd that was when I was like, you know what? I should start investing my money in stocks. Like I should just start doing that just because I will I would know God forbid, if I if everything stayed exactly the same, if every stock I invested in plateaued, there was no change forever and a day. Amen. And I lost all my physical cash today, I had something. Yeah. That was it. That was the only reason I did it. It was like I would have something. For sure. And you know, because things go up and things go down, there's a balance in the in the world. So it should feel like at some point there's a balance and there's an even point. But I was like, you know what, I have to like protect myself as an artist. Oh, that's right. And like, I'll be a hundred percent honest. I have made more money off Spotify stocks than I've ever made as an artist on Spotify. Oh shit, right. I've been making music since I was 18 years old. I'm 27. I've made more music in this short period of time investing in Spotify than I've ever made on Spotify. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03: 44:04

Ever period. That's wild.

SPEAKER_00: 44:06

It's just it's just how it works. It's how it works for artists. It's just how it is. So think about that.

SPEAKER_03: 44:13

Let me let me ask you this. Um, when it comes to like investing, um, do you have any maybe like uh tips or or tricks for not even like just the artist, but like just anybody like um not financial advice, just invest in things that you buy.

SPEAKER_00: 44:29

That simple as that. Like you are an artist, you've you've you participate in Spotify. I just think it is smart for you to have stocks in Spotify, not just because Spotify will make you money through the stocks, but because if I'm making money for Spotify, don't I want like a piece? Yeah. Like if I'm making you money, don't I if I if I'm making you money by being a part of your platform, don't I want some of that more than what you're paying me just for the streams?

SPEAKER_01: 45:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 45:02

And you can get that. Like Nike I like I've stocks in Yankee Candle. Oh shoot. In their parent company, the Yankee Candle Parent Company. What's it called? Newell.

unknown: 45:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 45:13

Newell. Um, but just because I like candles. I like candles in my house. I think candles smell good. Favorite candle smell. Favorite candle smell, um mint chocolate chip. Oh. Solid. I feel like root beer is a great another good one I like. But um, yeah, just invest in things. Invest in things that you if you're gonna invest, just invest in things that you that you spend your own money at. Because in turn, if I go to the store and I spend the money there and it goes to the parent company in totality, then my I will r I will receive a dividend from that eventually, which is just money from having stocks invested, essentially. Yeah. So, like, yeah. I th I don't That's a good point though. Not financial advice. I'm not a financial advisor. I did not go to school for any of this. I just think if you're gonna spend your money somewhere, it's just smart to just invest there too.

SPEAKER_03: 46:09

Yeah. Do you have um any advice that you're or I know you do. What type of advice do you have for um you know younger, up-and-coming artists these days?

SPEAKER_00: 46:25

Um figure out. Really figure out if that's what you want to do. Cause I once I started doing this, I kind of like made the conscious choice of like, I'm really just gonna rock this out until the end of time. I didn't I had a desire to go to school for something, but just the attention I got from my teachers doing the the music and doing the acting, it just kind of made me feel like it was a waste of time to do the other thing. So like I my GPA in high school is not good. My high school GPA is not good. I had a 1.76, that's what I graduated with. But I graduated with more credits than I needed to. Okay. Because I I transitioned to being a music major halfway through. Oh, so you have to do that. So all of my music, all of my music classes counted, but they're I didn't necessarily count towards my GPA. Gotcha. But they counted towards my credits. Okay. But for the state of Maryland, you have to graduate English, you have to pass English to graduate. So that I I needed that as a graduation requirement.

SPEAKER_01: 47:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 47:33

But like I went to school specifically for music, for musical theater. I went to a conservatory for musical theater. My class I had I Where'd you go? Um I don't like giving them credit for because I dropped out. But also because some school up and northeast. Also because my teacher told me to drop out and I don't like him. Okay, you don't have to. But um but very literally, we didn't have general education classes. We didn't have sports, we didn't have that kind of thing in my school. We had acting, voice lessons, um, vocal and speech, uh, four different types of dances. So we had theater, tap, jazz, and ballet. We had a musical theater class, we had a theater film class, and I think I said we had an acting class already, traditional acting class. Okay. We had so I didn't do like gen ed at my college. Oh, okay. I did I did that. I had a 3.3 GPA at my college. Nice. Awol, I did not try at my college.

SPEAKER_03: 48:34

Because you didn't need to. You were you were the true you were Jim Carrey in the fucking true.

SPEAKER_00: 48:39

Well, I'd done the work, right? I done I'd done the work. So really when I go into class, I was doing the work I'd done the work already. Yeah. I was just doing what I'd done already. So, like, that's I for young artists, just figure out that's really what you want to do. Because there's plenty of people that I've seen that have that are beyond talented. Beyond talented, could can do things I never could have imagined myself doing. Right. I have can fill roles that I can never fill myself, and they just want to do something else. Yeah. They they their heart is just in something else. They wanted to be a doctor, or they wanted to be a lawyer, or they really want to do public service work. They really wanted to work um in a nonprofit. To they want they wanted to do something that they felt was important. Yeah. That's what that's what the it really boils down to. They felt that was more important than doing the theater or the music or the acting or whatever, the creative work. That was where they got their creativity off, was doing that work. Gotcha. And that's and I I just think you need to figure out if that's what you really want to do. If you really want to do the creative thing, because uh we had talked about I started acting at 11. I didn't make my first acting check until I was 21. Yeah. 21, 22. I didn't I didn't get paid for acting. 10 full years. Yeah, until I had done it for 10 years at school doing local theater at community colleges and local theater companies. Uh shout out just off Broadway, shout out DCT, shout out Cockpit and Court. But like I I did all that work for free. That was all free work.

SPEAKER_02: 50:11

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 50:12

I didn't get paid until I had done all that free work. Right. So it it's like you could you have to fake and and uh uh the free work is different, right?

SPEAKER_01: 50:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 50:23

When you are doing something uh traditional education-wise versus creative wise, right? So figure and that's part of figuring out if you really want to do it because you have when you go to school for something, if you want a degree in in IT, if you just want to in an IT degree, communications, you want to get a communications degree. Your free work, your free, free work is paying to go to school and being in the class and doing the classwork and doing the homework and doing an internship and then go in and get your job afterwards until that's when you get paid. You know, doing you did that was all your free work is going to school and getting the degree. When you're creative, your free work is different. Yeah, it's just perceived differently because even if you go to school and get a degree, that doesn't guarantee you a creative job.

SPEAKER_01: 51:11

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 51:11

It just doesn't. That's not how the creative field works. But if you keep working and keep working, keep working and keep working, people see your work and people recognize your work and you do good work consistently and and regularly, you know, compete against yourself mainly. But you know, if if you compete against your peers, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02: 51:29

No.

SPEAKER_00: 51:29

But if you are continuously doing the work and showing that you can do it, it's not it's not an idea of can you do it, it's how well can you do it, and you do it well, then you will get paid for it. Yeah, but you have to do the free work first.

SPEAKER_03: 51:43

Like don't lose the vision from that. I think that's really important.

SPEAKER_00: 51:46

Yeah, like like we just talked about the budget and how I spent had a 20 grand budget for that album. I didn't I don't have a fucking deal. Yeah. I don't have all from his own damn pocket. Yeah, I don't have a deal. I don't I didn't get a deal off of that. I got the residency off of that. Yeah. The residency was an opportunity to do something where we would uh we would have opportunity to get work more work done. Okay, and be in the view of more people that are outside of my general demographic. Gotcha. So I could be in the face of people who actually live in Mexico. That's what the album was for. That was the that was the promo to get me there. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha. And that's and that was the free work, and there's a lot of free work that goes into what we do, and I feel like a lot of people just get lazy. Yeah, get lazy with the free work because it is free.

SPEAKER_01: 52:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 52:35

You know, you want to only do it when you want to do it, or you only really want to like put a lot of effort into it if there's a chance for you to get paid. When really like the money doesn't matter. You're gonna like if your work is really that good, you're gonna get paid.

SPEAKER_03: 52:50

Yeah. And it's good that you don't make that too much of a connection with like, you know, how much it actually cost behind it. And you because you can tell, like, if we didn't have this conversation, I would have known that you invested in it, but I like would have, you know, I and I've listened to the album, like, I wouldn't have like really been able to put like a number to it, you know. I mean, but I would have really been able to put like the the you know, the initiative that that you put into it, you know, and I think that's uh that's an important thing there.

SPEAKER_00: 53:20

And I really appreciate that you said that you can't you didn't necessarily you listen to it and you didn't necessarily hear a number. Yeah, I really appreciate that because that's what artists for, right? You go and you decide how much it's worth to you, right? And that's how you should really contribute to your favorite artists.

SPEAKER_01: 53:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 53:39

I think that this was worth a lot of money. I'm gonna spend my money however I can to get it to this artist. Well, you know, um you might buy the album one time because that, you know, it may not only allow you to buy it on that on that service one time. But you know, you may go, oh, they have um this over here I can go buy and I can give them some money that way, or I can, or they have a donation spot I can donate to them, whatever. It's your stuff. Yeah, get some merch, you know, whatever. I can go see a show. There's other ways to financially support your artists.

SPEAKER_03: 54:06

Yeah. Oh, that's a great point, right? There's yeah, think about that. So if there's some, you know, some aspiring artists that are around you, there's there's definitely ways for you to uh support them in many different ways. And uh yeah, I think it's important that you do that because, you know, there are some artists that are out here really given, you know, a million percent and might not, you know, might not be getting the listens, listeners that they deserve, you know, but if you're helping support them in a particular way, I think that's only going to um help them to understand that like what they're doing is uh is is the right thing. Yeah. Let's uh let let's let's get sidetracked here. Um, you know what? I'm gonna just have you pick. Uh so we'll do just just pick one for now.

SPEAKER_00: 54:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 54:55

And we're gonna go back and forth here. Okay, okay. For those that can't see us, we're he's picking a card right now.

SPEAKER_00: 55:02

Okay. Am I asking you this question?

SPEAKER_03: 55:04

Yeah, yeah, you ask me, and then I'll I'll do you we'll do you next.

SPEAKER_00: 55:07

What's the most interesting museum you've been to?

SPEAKER_03: 55:10

Oh wow. Okay, definitely uh the Andy Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh. Oh my gosh, it was like the craziest thing ever, and uh, I could have never imagined like how it it takes a special person just to get through the whole thing, honestly.

SPEAKER_01: 55:26

Okay, my turn. Yeah, get you could you a spread. Yeah, give me a spread there.

SPEAKER_03: 55:34

All right. Do you ever think about your parents as kids? What do you picture?

SPEAKER_00: 55:43

I do think about them as kids sometimes. Um I feel like the way I picture them is very much based off of you know, conversations. Yeah. Because I so my father was killed when I was 11 years old. So I was not I didn't really get to spend a lot of time with my father. Thank you. I appreciate that. So I didn't really get to spend a lot of time with my father. I've seen pictures of him when he was younger. I knew I I spent time around him as an adult. I did not really get to know my father too well. Gotcha. But through what people tell me about my father, I get I get an image that makes sense to me, right? And with my mother who's around and who pretty much raised me, who did raise me, I'm you know I mean, but um like I I get a lot of context from her siblings and her mom and her dad of just what it was like being her as a child, and you know, we we are blessed to live in a period of time where we have pictures of our parents more often than not. Oh right. So that's a good point. Yeah, so our so we can see what our parents did look like, and you know, I like to also think that we don't really change a whole lot from our core as we grow up. Our core, you know, we strengthen our core, right? We really figure out who we really are as people, and you get more and more like that as you get older.

SPEAKER_01: 57:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 57:08

So if if my mom is how she is now, oh imagine how she was when she was my age or whatever, doing bullshit. Right?

SPEAKER_03: 57:16

But the same, basically the same person.

SPEAKER_01: 57:18

Yeah. Um, okay. It's me. Yep. Me now. Uh me thinks. Yeah. Hit that light question. Are you afraid of the dark?

SPEAKER_03: 57:28

Oh my gosh, am I afraid of the dark? Jesus. Um 90% of the time, no. And then like every now and then there's like that that 10% where like, I don't know, like you hear a crazy sound or something, and you're like, okay, wait a second. Something is out there that that that's out to get me. And then you know, like when you're a kid and like the basement? Yeah. Dude, dude, the basement where like when it was dark, like you remember how quick you ran up those and you like behind you. Yo, you check behind you, like, but like really, you know, like now, like you know that like there ain't nothing back there. But like at that at that point though, there was. Oh, wait, no, wait, no, it's your turn, yeah. Uh uh. Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. Alright. Name something that always puts you in a bad mood.

SPEAKER_00: 58:23

People touching my things. I I am very big. So my thingy. But I am very big on like privacy. Okay. I'm not like really like secretive. Okay. I don't like to describe myself that way, but like I like my space. I like if I have my space, I don't necessarily want you to just go into my space when you feel like you can go into my space. No, I want you to go into my space when I allow you in my space. For sure. If I have something that you want if you want to touch my sunglasses, I want you to ask if you can put my sunglasses on before you put my sunglasses on. For sure. Because can I put your sunglasses on? Sure. Sure, buddy. You can go put my sunglasses on. Well, yeah, I'm I'm very big on privacy. That really always puts me in a bad mood when people just do things that are just invade your privacy. Like, I like I'm I'm growing up doing theater, like, I don't mind being touched too much as long as it's not like you're really touching me inappropriately. Then, like, and I don't know you like that, then we're gonna. Does that happen often? No. Okay, good. But sometimes it does.

SPEAKER_03: 59:24

Sometimes. Sometimes it does. You'd be surprised. Consent. Listen, everyone out there. Please. Please consent. Please. Okay. Ask to do certain things, okay? And take care of them. And if you do, take care of those things as well. No, for real. Alright, let's do a few more here. My turn. Okay. My I think my my turn? Your turn? You I you you asked me. You asked me. I asked you.

SPEAKER_00: 59:45

So I pick one from you, right? Yeah. What's the funniest video on your phone?

SPEAKER_03: 59:54

The funniest video on my phone. Um, I'm not even gonna show it, but let's see here. It was uh we were at a bachelor party um with me and some of the homie shout Matt hit uh Chris Merson and uh yo it was crazy and our a friend of ours, uh rest in peace, Rusty, he brought those 99 cent Arizonas, you know, to the room, and we're like, who the fuck brings 99 cent Arizoners to a gangbang? Yo, and we were just oh I I'll have to post the video. We'll put the video on. Oh, so good, dude. Damn, look at you all slick. My money's press. Okay, would you ever want a job testing new flavors of food?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:48

Mmm. No. To be honest, no. Just because like when like it's something a little like too weird, I'm not even interested. Yeah. Like I'll be honest with you. Yeah, you don't have to do it. I'll keep it straight up with you. Like, I don't eat sushi, I don't do the sushi thing. I do cooked cooked sushi, cool, whatever. Cooked cooked fish and rice, cool, that's fine. That's what it's like. But raw stuff, I'm not even not even trying it. Bugs, not trying it. You got it. Good luck, buddy. All right, one more. What item would you grab first if your house is on fire?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:21

Oh wow. Oh my gosh. Well, so we actually porn stash. No, other than the porn stash, the VC, the VHS covers. Um, let's see here. Uh, I I actually spoke about this in the last one. It's ironic. Um, it would be I have a big tub that has 300 notebooks in it of all the lyrics that I've wrote throughout like my whole life. And it's in this tub, so that like just in case at any point I need to get up and go. Get up and go, man. I'm out of there. Okay. Good job with that session. That was that was dope. Hey, I got I got a question for you. If you could have a conversation, if you could have a phone conversation with anybody in the world that either maybe you can't have a conversation with now, um who would it be? Um probably Prince. Prince? Yeah. Well, wait a second. What's that? Who's this calling? Oh, this is Prince? Oh, you know what? I got a big fan of yours here. I got Lil Webb in the house, alright? Listen, um, he's got he wants to tell. Oh, you're just jamming back there, aren't you? Aren't you? Yeah, no, listen, he wants to tell you something, and uh yeah, he wants to have a little conversation with you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:46

What would you tell him? Yo, what I tell, yo. What can I what can I tell Prince, man? Yo, Prince, what could I tell you, man? What can I tell you, G? Yeah, that's Paisley Park, my nigga. What are we talking about? Man, I just want to know how you did it. Yeah, that's all I want to know. How did you say fuck y'all? And nigga said, yeah, fuck us. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Cause these niggas suck. Yo, we try, I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get jamming, my G. Like, what are we talking about? What? Yo, where the Melly Mel, yo said, if we're not making it so the hoes can dance, what are we doing it for? French, you had a hoes sweating bullets. What? Sweating. Sweating bullets. You could feel it in the air. You can feel in the air like it was raining. Purple raining. Purple. I'm trying to get like you, Pimpy. Man. You what? You did, huh? Thank you. Yo, tell me what the code to the vault is. To the vault. There. Doot doot doot doot. Yo, I appreciate you, my G. You the realist, yo.

unknown: 1:03:55

Damn.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:55

Where did AWOL?

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:57

All love from AWOL to Prince, baby. Peace out. Oh man, dude. Too good. Too good. Man, listen, dude. I have had an excellent time with you here, and I got to learn so much, and I think we got to really um, you know, jump around to a whole bunch of different things from you know your your your acting career starting so young and uh, you know, kind of getting into creativity itself and you know how to keep those juices flowing and you know, not to um let's see here, you know, as far as putting that backing into being an artist and all the things that it takes, and you know, there's gonna be a lot that you're gonna put into this, you know, i if it's what you're meant to do, you know. I think that's that's something important that you you you mentioned was you know making sure that you are, you know, at least like trying those things so that that way you can find you know the true nature in which you're you're meant to exist in this world. And uh man, do you have any last uh last minute you know um inspirations or or points of motivation that you uh want to give everybody? Man, I posted this on my story the other day.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:14

I've been really thinking about it. Winners win so win. Losers don't lose because they are incapable of winning, that they lack the ability to win. They lose because they don't believe they can win. Don't be a fucking loser.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:33

Don't be a yo, listen, I think that's a perfect end game for this. Don't be a fucking loser. Do it all for the win. And uh until next time, we'll see y'all on the Respecting Perspectives Podcast. Peace.