Speaker 1: 0:15

all right, okay, let's take two. If we decide to use the first one, we can. Okay, yo, respecting perspectives, fam, thank you for joining us for another episode here with the podcast. I have one of my good friends here who I've known for about six or seven years, miss Cassandra Hurley. She is a woman of many different facets and terms, but I'm going to let her tell y'all who she is and a little bit of an intro.

Speaker 2: 0:49

Okay, so I'm Cassandra Hurley. I am a psychic medium, a life coach and a celebrity life coach. I've been doing this professionally for at least going on five years now, especially when everybody told me no and I couldn't do it. I did just want to talk about a few things, kind of ending the stigma, because even being a witch in that word, that terminology, there seems to be a lot of different stigmas. One thing also on like duality, duality. I often talk about my alter ego, sunny, hello, she is out tonight. Now, as far as you, I want to ask you a real last question Do you have an actual alter ego?

Speaker 1: 1:35

That's a good question and we're just going to let that roll. Let's see here Alter egos. Oh my gosh, I have. I guess you can call it an alter ego. You know what it made me think about when I'm making music, when I have a different person inside of me that lives there, when I'm writing music.

Speaker 2: 1:59

Can I just cut you off for one second yeah, please do I want to throw it back to the first time that I ever met you. Okay, and when you say alter ego and then you flip in that music, because when I first first met you I ended up kind of going last minute being invited whatever, didn't know anybody except for the person who hosted it, and I was kind of like Shout out to Prophet, Prophet, thank you.

Speaker 1: 2:22

Yo shouts out.

Speaker 2: 2:23

And my gay husband was supposed to come that night and then he ended up not being able to come. So I was like damn, I don't want to go by myself. I was this close to not even going at all to be, honest, everything, whatever.

Speaker 2: 2:34

And they were like here, they sat me down right next to you, we were talking, but you kind of seemed at first really shy, like for real. I know it's been a good many years, but that's how I kind of saw you out at that point and it was like you're very shy, kind of shelled in, you know really good, like person, soul, you are nice and sweet. But back then you were totally different, totally different aura, totally different everything. And I think you asked me was I here to perform? Or something like that. I did not perform that night, but I was definitely a lot of great talent at that event.

Speaker 2: 3:07

But when I tell you, when you went from sitting right next to me, all innocent, quiet, this, that, and the third Yo, when he got on that fucking stage, he fucking killed it. When I tell you he killed it, he shook me, okay, and it takes a lot these days for me to be like what the fuck? It was like one of those mouth drop moments don't ever judge a book by its cover, okay, but when you say, like my alter ego, a little wild, like I said, she right here, right now and right here right now right, but so is yours.

Speaker 2: 3:37

You have like fire in you this passion and I can definitely see that alter ego number one a, but now you just got to give him a name yeah, oh gosh, you're right, let's see here um.

Speaker 1: 3:51

You know what I'm gonna call him chance why chance? Because you never know what you're gonna get. You never know it's gonna have. He's gonna have that energy and he's gonna have that, uh, that fire, like you said. But it really depends on, like, the emotion of the song. Okay, you know what I'm really trying to get out in that particular song, because I can go from, like you know, one of those love songs to where oh, I thought you were gonna do like country or something you like, the whole.

Speaker 1: 4:21

That was the moment yeah, yeah, you know what, I haven't, haven't dabbled in that just yet. Um, I do plan on it at some point, uh, but you know it can go from anywhere to like that. That. You know, lovey cheesy side to. You know I'm like mad and I'm like trying to get something out of there. So I think we're gonna call them chance.

Speaker 2: 4:42

Yeah, people take a chance on Chance because he will blow your mind.

Speaker 1: 4:48

Tell me a little bit more about Sonny, though, and give me kind of where that name came from, and tell me a typical day or a typical time when Sonny is out and about.

Speaker 2: 5:04

Well, a lot of people don't realize when you actually have this alter ego, it is like a form of protection, ptsd, whatever. You go through some shit to a point where you take that duality of that rage and you basically formulate it into its own entity and being. And it's like sometimes your vessel doesn't match your soul and sometimes you got a lot going on in here. So sunny came from way back when, when 2019, I actually I was homeless at this point too, I had you know it was a challenge being a single mom going through that shit and trying to keep things under wrap and still having, um, how do you say like not not feeling like I'm gonna degrade myself or whatever, but sunny definitely came out then. That was my stripper name so okay it was like.

Speaker 2: 5:56

Cassie was like oh no, like don't do it, don't do it. But then sunny is like we gonna make this money and this is what we're gonna do, and that's what it is, and I never really been like shy on camera or anything, none of that but it's like when you're okay. So it's kind of like you know, when you're in the music studio, you're recording a song, you're in that booth and something just takes over you, but it feels so right, yeah, takes over you, but it feels so right, yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:23

You, just, you, just that. That's where Sonny came from, where, when I was on stage, I had to block everything out. So then Sonny comes out and boom did the damn thing, whatever. But it almost is like Sonny comes out when I'm in the booth because I'm taking everything and I'm in my own little world. Nothing else and nobody else matters in those moments except for what I'm doing with my passion.

Speaker 1: 6:49

Oh, love that, I love how you kind of dug into that and I mean think about when you talk about the sun, I mean you know it blinds everything that it, you know, is in front of, but at the same time it also fuels all of those things. So you know you can't look at it, but you know you get your power from it, you know. So I feel like that's pretty, that's pretty cool to kind of be able to harness that and to be able to kind of understand when that alter ego you know is, is and needs to come out. And then you know when, would you say, cassie is out and about.

Speaker 2: 7:32

Cassie's usually out and about when I'm in my psychic medium mommy mode. So everybody like on special, my younger ones, sometimes my older ones, but Mama Cass, mama Cass is also very protective, but very much so down to earth, giving very good advice If people want to actually learn to heal within themselves, type of thing. Sunny usually comes out when it's a little bit okay, how can we win, we're going to be toxic. But that's that side. Sunny, toxic, toxic needs to like basically stay out.

Speaker 2: 8:06

I don't think that people understand to this toxicity that everybody is carrying on and thinking that it's normalized and it's okay. It's not fucking okay. And this is where I say you will take out that darkness and you a part of duality, whether you want to call it your alter ego, but I feel like a message that I want to tell people is when people are like, oh, it's not okay, or it's okay to be okay, no, the fuck it's not. It's not Self-awareness. But one thing I keep getting a lot in some of my clients is toxic relationships. Okay, and part of Sunny, that's my toxicity. How do people heal a toxic relationship? Self-acknowledgement Okay, so you acknowledge. Okay, I need to change this, this, this and this. So part of the personality has to stay tucked away in a way. You know what I'm saying. I acknowledge that it's darkness. Cassie, is more of the light, the yin and the yang is within yourself.

Speaker 2: 9:00

You got me but anyways, I want females at least to call back their power, call back their energy, take back their crown stop. It's not okay for a man to treat you or disrespect you in any other way. And the toxicity people think it's cute. But when you get my age, how much did we learn about that shit?

Speaker 2: 9:20

yeah, you're so right you know, I feel like everybody's alter ego, the darkness in them. Everybody has it, but it's a matter of taking that power and using it for the correct, proper way, how we can navigate our lives and get our self respect back as women to. Most, women think they're being a bitch if they want to stand up for themselves or say something, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 9:41

That's a great point. Actually, can I ask you this when it comes to I like what you said with taking back your crown, you know why do you think women give that crown away in the first place?

Speaker 2: 9:54

Because they do not love themselves and I know this is going to hurt a lot of people's feelings, but at the end of the day, I also do not love myself. I thought I did, but with the movements and the way that I was operating, clearly I did not love myself. If a man can disrespect you and you're tolerating it. If a man can put hands on you, or mentally, spiritually, whatever, mentally abuse you, it's not just physical touch anymore, like it's just like. I see so many of my clients went through things that I personally went through and now I feel like I need to save them literally. So I want people to start understanding this toxic shit in this generation. It's not okay. People deserve more. Stop giving these people chances who do not deserve them.

Speaker 2: 10:40

You have to love yourself at the end of the day. If you do not love yourself, you will never get to your end goal. You will never get to your end vision. Not saying you have to be alone, but you have to take the time with yourself. Call back all of that. Don't let people treat you some type of fucking way. If you need to let your alter egos out, let that be a sign, but use it to call back your own power, so people don't keep playing with you yeah so that's where that duality comes in.

Speaker 1: 11:06

Cass is mama Cass, but Sunny is going to be like we're not fucking around with nothing anymore yeah, let's actually dig a little bit into, uh, duality itself and uh, you know, besides the whole like alter ego thing, um, you know, how else do you feel like duality is important in our everyday life and how do you feel like most people ignore the signs of duality?

Speaker 2: 11:35

and, it's possible, unhealed traumas. That's what I see as unhealed traumas the darkness. If you don't recognize it within yourself, you get me darkness. If you don't recognize it within yourself, you get me. So, like mental health, for example, when people say they're battling their own demons and things like that. You have to acknowledge that the demons are there so you can learn to learn to fix that you know and how do you?

Speaker 1: 11:58

let's see here. I mean, if you could dive a little bit into possibly not. You know, you don't have to get too personal about you know your own demons, but what? What looks like a demon and you know has maybe like a? You know it looks. It looks like a wolf in sheep's clothing. You know, what would you say like when you were younger, some of the demons that were hard to notice and that you were able to notice later on in life.

Speaker 2: 12:26

Are we talking about actual demons? Because I will. No, I'm not even I'm a psychic medium. This is my fucking life, Like you can.

Speaker 1: 12:35

So either way, I mean whatever you know, whatever you feel like, whether it's an actual visual representation of a demon or like bad intentions, it's bad intentions people who are sick, evil individuals okay, that's what I see as a demon.

Speaker 2: 12:50

But people also battle with their own demons when it comes to addictions, with lies. I've had a lot of people around me um, alcoholics, for example. That could be their demon. That is what they need to heal within themselves. Okay, but why are they drinking in the first fucking place? Let's think about that also. What triggered them into drinking? Are using that as an excuse? Or you know what I'm saying? Certain things, those are all battling demons, the demons of temptation, because at the end of the day, we are humans living a human experience, and we are also of duality, the yin and yang, because our soul is our soul, that's our light, but we also live of the flesh and the vessel, which does carry sin and temptation. That's what people are battling every single day. It's just a matter of acknowledging both, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 13:37

Yeah, yeah, tell me a little bit about, because you sound like you've been able to pinpoint some of the particular, you know hardships in your life. You know, tell me a little bit about. You know we actually spoke about it earlier. What was the saying? Every breakdown.

Speaker 2: 13:59

Every breakdown and all my clients watching this will know with every breakdown comes that breakthrough. But sometimes, honey, you gotta hurt to heal and a lot of the times we don't recognize. We can't heal if we don't acknowledge the pain first. So when we break down, we hit so fucking hard that now we have no choice but to acknowledge what's going on. Once you're self-aware of that, you can see what you need to change or which way you're going to go, and then you elevate and now we rebuild that foundation and then that way we can build it up stronger. So not every breakdown it should be something that's like from the devil or whatever. Sometimes that is from God or the universe, but so you can have that reset button hit the ground, hurt, acknowledge, feel, keep it pushing and elevate.

Speaker 1: 14:48

Yeah, yeah, I love the way that you put that and, yeah, it made me think about some of the times in my life that I went through some painful situations and we were talking about, you know, going through some things, and especially when it comes to, like health and, like you know, at our age, you know we weren't warned about particular things that our body would be going through. You know, snap, crackle, pop, rice krispies yeah, you said yeah. So, yeah, your body goes through all of these different things, not not mentally, but physically, and you know, if you're lucky enough, you're able to bounce back. You know, and you know how, when you get sick, you get like a cold or you get that flu, and for that week, you know, you feel like dog dirt, but then, like, you know that that week comes back and you start to get your energy again. You know, and you kind of you do feel like a new person, you know.

Speaker 2: 15:49

And it makes me think, though, about going through a breakup, you have that heartache and pain. Yeah, but then, as every day goes, you're doing something that's meant for you. So, you can feel better and better and better.

Speaker 1: 16:00

Yeah, yeah, you're so right and gosh, it makes you really appreciate and grateful. You don't realize you know everything you have until some of those things are gone, yeah, are taken away from you. You know, tell me a little bit about maybe an experience or two that you've been through where you know something had to be either taken away, whether it's like a health issue I know you know you were. You speak pretty comfortably about some of the things that you've been through and I really appreciate you for opening up about those things and especially with you know some recent, you know, health things that I've been going through. It's really made me kind of a little bit sheltered but you've actually been an inspiration to really, you know, help me open up about some of these things. So tell me you know what, what, what were some things that had to be kind of taken away from you in order for you to realize you know what you really had taken away from me?

Speaker 2: 16:59

Well, I have a couple. One thing um my own personal health too. I feel like something that's been taken away is, I feel like my time, and the reason I say that is because you know me eventually going blind and losing my hearing. I feel like I'm running out of time and I wish that one I would have probably got. You know, stop procrastinating on. That's something we tend to do too.

Speaker 2: 17:25

Like don't procrastinate on things or whatever, because you know there's times that I know my eyesight is getting worse and I can't drive certain place for myself and do certain things, and it really it makes me cry sometimes because I hate being so codependent and it's something that, like, I feel like sometimes that got taken away. But also to learn like things can happen in an instant. And also, if you have these health issues or whatever like I have physical, mental, whatever, it doesn't fucking matter At the end of the day, as long as you take care of yourself and be there for you, don't let things stop you from what you really want to do in life life, because God has a purpose for you in every way, shape or form. So I guess I thought I got something taken away, but it made me appreciate things a lot more, that I still have this. Okay, I'm fine right now, I can still keep going right now. So I feel like gratitude. So I mean bittersweet type of things, if that's kind of what. And then you said to what was something that got taken away and that had to appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 18:31

Um, um, after I got divorced. I got divorced at 26 years old. I was dating somebody and I had prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed to God for this specific person to come into my life and I think about it till this day and it shit because it is so normalized. When I was with my ex-husband for like, I was with him for like you know however long almost like 10 fucking years I was so used. You know, we were just young, 19 years old Okay, we're both all good now, but young and whatever, but it was very toxic and we knew it was very toxic and stayed way too long and I didn't really know anything else other than toxic.

Speaker 2: 19:20

And then I realized later through therapy okay, because family traumas, generational curses, how I grew up in comfortability and how you know what I'm saying like the long pattern, generational curses, guys um, they're there, yeah, attention to them and I always tell people all the time, even my clients, I'm like y'all better really appreciate things, because sometimes, when you pray for something, god at one point gave me every single thing on a silver fucking platter all I had to do was be fucking appreciative, but because I was not healed I fucked that up and then sometimes you lose things and then you cannot get them back ever. So I've seen times in my life where things change that quick, whether it was health or love, life or whatever. The fuck changed really fast.

Speaker 1: 20:09

So in an instant, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:11

So I'm very appreciative for things. Now I've, you know, had certain expectations, standards, standards, requirements for myself when it comes to certain things learning one of my best friends, miss angelique bates. She always told me. She told me one time she was like it's not always about the love, but it is about the lesson. So even that, even though I didn't get the love part, I definitely learned my fucking lesson.

Speaker 1: 20:38

So now when.

Speaker 2: 20:39

I get things from God. I'm not going to sit there and bitch and complain at all, Because just as God can give you it, he'll take it away.

Speaker 1: 20:47

You know what, something that we touched on before that I think was really important and can be a great lesson for a lot of people out there, especially for people who are a little bit younger Actually, I'm sorry, a little bit older but you know, tell me about, I think, what was the saying that you said, just because it's delayed.

Speaker 2: 21:09

Oh, miss Angelique Bates, one more time. Let's clap it in the background. And this is why I fucking love her? Because she teaches me things, she challenges my mind and is supportive, one of the best actresses ever. Okay, y'all um, but anyway, she was telling me, like it's not always, sometimes it's delayed, but that does not mean that it's denied oh, okay meaning sometimes when I tell people past, present, future you get to choose what you're going to do.

Speaker 2: 21:39

Everybody has free will to make their decisions. So if something's meant for you, you'll never truly miss out on what something is truly, truly meant for you, but you will prolong it by making the wrong decisions. You will delay it by making the wrong decisions. So that was one thing It's's like. As long as you have that vision for yourself and you never give up, you're gonna have it regardless, because god will not put that certain vision. Like me personally, every single thing that I've done with my life. I had already dreamed about it when I was a young girl, over and over and over again same thing with, like that kevin hart.

Speaker 2: 22:16

I'm like I'm gonna be in a movie with kevin hart to everybody else.

Speaker 1: 22:19

It's fucking delusional no, tell, tell the audience, tell them, give, give them your goal here. What's what you got to? Speak it into existence and the more people that hear it you know, the more people that can.

Speaker 2: 22:30

Yeah, yeah he's gonna find me somehow. It's gonna be him and steve harvey my fucking idols.

Speaker 2: 22:34

But I will be in a movie with kevin hart, okay I will will period oh, there you go but I've always had this vision for myself, even getting in the studio. All these things have always had the vision. I feel like people lose that vision sometimes and again it's not. I encourage people to be delusional. Be fucking deluluulu as fuck, Like I don't care. You have that vision in your mind. It's going to happen. Why? Because God will place it over and again into your heart. But every single person's soul mission is different.

Speaker 1: 23:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:07

That's where people mix up their passions with their purpose.

Speaker 1: 23:10

Oh yeah, dig into that a little bit, tell me about. You know what's the?

Speaker 2: 23:18

difference between passion and purpose Purpose. I feel like the same thing. With every breakdown there becomes a breakthrough why people go through certain things, like, for example, when I was homeless, why I went to rehab when I was from 16 to 18, I was there because I was very depressed. Other people, alcoholics Anonymous, chemical dependency, other people, alcoholics Anonymous, chemical Dependency all of that we all had very individual, different journeys. But what I want to do and why I feel like I went through certain things was because eventually I always tell people I'm going to open homeless shelters and with the homeless shelters I also want to connect a rehabilitation center there. I want to give people a chance, just a chance to get back on their own feet, people who actually want to change. You know what I mean, like how we were talking about earlier, like if people want that chance, I want to make a change in this world. So again, I feel like I had to go through certain things in my life so I could not only appreciate but I could do something about it in the world.

Speaker 1: 24:16

Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. Let's see here. But if you could tell me as far as the passion and purpose. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry guys.

Speaker 2: 24:25

I'm not only ADD, but I definitely like smoke, so your favorite weed, which is here, okay.

Speaker 1: 24:34

ADD as fuck. Okay, so passion Okay.

Speaker 2: 24:38

Oh then you know what low-key that's kind of what I was getting at I feel, the homeless, shelter, all those things, everything that was a part of my purpose plan. You got to go through certain things to realize it's not always about yourself, it's about other people, it's about starting a movement. So that's what I, when I was going on that ran, that's what I was talking about. So, more so my purpose, I feel like, is the whole psychic mediumship, life coaching. That's my purpose. Why? Because I do it. Steve Harvey always says like when you figure out what your purpose is, it's like the one thing that you do with the least amount of effort it just comes naturally to you.

Speaker 2: 25:12

It always ties in with your purpose. So that's when I realized you know what I love to talk here we are on a podcast, but to help other people was my purpose. I went through what the fuck I went through. So other people, if they come into my path, they're not about to go through any of that shit. We're going to change the game, make sure they're good.

Speaker 2: 25:32

Now that purpose is with other people. No, I feel like the passion is within yourself. Now, sometimes your passion and your purpose can, you know, overlap or intertwine or whatever. But my passion is music. Like I might not be fucking Whitney Houston only in the bathroom shower when no one's around, because I'm shy as fuck, but because I'm shy and I have to work at it. That means if you have to work for it, it's probably a passion you know what I'm saying or a hobby. But if it's something that makes you feel good and you just know how to do it very effortlessly, that's probably your purpose in life. It doesn't got to be what everybody else is doing and this, that and the third, but if you're called to do it, that's where you walk within your purpose.

Speaker 1: 26:15

Yeah, I love that, the way that you put that, and it really makes me think about throughout life and all of the, the purposes and passions that you know, we think maybe that we're meant for. Or you know, maybe even some of the things that other people kind of project you onto you. I mean we were talking about, like the generational um gaps. You know and think about, like you know, our grandfathers and grandmothers and you know what they thought their purpose was. You know to to have that, that job that steady.

Speaker 2: 26:55

You know nine to five that brainwash though that you know. Nine to five, that's that brainwash though. That's not purpose. That's fucking robots and slaves to society. They're not thinking for themselves and focusing on what they want. Especially back in the day there were different roles than there are now. Do you think men just thought that was their purpose? And they probably did, because that's what they were taught. But as the generation comes in now, more people are freeing out from that. They were taught, but as the generation comes into.

Speaker 1: 27:19

Now more people are freeing out from that. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. How do you feel like the younger generations? Let's see here how do you feel like you know they should be existing in this type of world? You know, as far as, like the nine to five goes, goes, you know what do you feel like? A stable job in the future looks like.

Speaker 2: 27:42

I know this is something this is going to be difficult for me yeah honestly, if I'm being completely real as far as what do you mean like a dream job? What will be there?

Speaker 1: 27:53

yeah, what would what like being a manager somewhere.

Speaker 2: 27:56

I I would hope to god.

Speaker 2: 27:58

It's more than being a manager somewhere to be honest, I would hope that people want more and more and more and more and more for themselves. Like I don't knock people who you know do that in the nine to five, but with my mentality and mindset, especially with even my younger clients, I want so much more for them. I'm like, hey, like what do you want to do with your life? What has been your ultimate dream? Or when you were a little girl or whatever that is? You get what I'm saying, so I couldn't really answer. As far as a matrix job level, I want, I feel like more people should just start their own businesses and work on their own self-employment, because they can always do better than what they're doing. It's just really up to them and what they feel are the standards or what they feel like they have to do.

Speaker 1: 28:41

Yeah, I love that. You know you've been talking about your clients a little bit. Tell me a little bit about what you do with some of your clients and kind of you know what it looks like, what's the timeline for a client, and let's see here. Yeah, you know what it looks like, what's the timeline for a client, and let's see here. Yeah, you know when you first start with someone, you know what are some of the typical things that you go through with them to, yeah, to ensure that they're going to become, you know, their best self.

Speaker 2: 29:11

I try to set everybody up for success oh sorry, I'm getting tongue tied out for success. Oh sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied. You got it. I try, yeah, I try to get everybody set up for success, meaning again what do they want for their lives. Unfortunately, a lot of what I deal with is not only past, present and future, and then I do mediumship as well. Other spirits, ones who've passed away. I teach them about spirit guides, present and future. And then I do mediumship as well. Other spirits, once you've passed away. I teach them about spirit guides, spirituality, what it means to have or go through a spiritual awakening. But my job is it's what people don't know, like behind the scenes type shit that I wanted to actually share with people. Funny story, because I do see past, present and future. Share with people. Funny story, um, because I do see past, present and future.

Speaker 2: 30:01

There's been times where they've come to me as my man cheating and I will let them know what the fuck is up, whatever I feel, whatever, and when I tell you, 99.9 of the time, right, accurate, they were indeed cheating certain things, I see shit. So this is what, like those tarot readers do not talk about or, on YouTube, they really don't talk about. I have had cases where I was on the phone with a client and their man was on the other line yelling and screaming and cursing Don't fucking talk to her. She's crazy, she's a fucking wacko.

Speaker 1: 30:35

That's a sign right there.

Speaker 2: 30:37

Hell yeah, it is because they're all fucking guilty. That's why they don't want them talking to me right but no other psychic on tiktok or anywhere else. Do they ever talk about the ins and out of the shit that you really have to go through doing this job?

Speaker 2: 30:51

yeah I have people in other countries where they don't speak a lick of english or I don't speak a lick of their language and have to do translator or have to get somebody to be a translator for me. Different things If the time zone is 14 hours ahead, I got to wake up at like the ass crack of dawn and everybody's time zones and there's a lot of things that people just see psychics and mediums from the outside perspectives like go through, but they don't really know what we go through like on the daily too they don't respect it nope exactly right here exactly right there uh, let's see here.

Speaker 1: 31:27

Um, as far as you know, when did you start this uh journey of, you know, having different clients and teaching them? Did you have someone like a mentor yourself that maybe helped you, or did it kind of just come out of nowhere and you just wanted to help people?

Speaker 2: 31:51

Okay. So it's a little interesting. I've always had this gift like I could always see things. I'd always have weird dreams, fucking sleep, paralysis, all these things. But I didn't really start trusting myself until probably my late 20s and stuff okay, I didn't know how to maneuver it or operate it and shout out to mommy mel and nicholas shout out to mommy mel nicholas, that's her baby and also a martin um, but at the end of the day it's like mommy mel, that's my gay husband's mother okay and when I first met him because I didn't like all this shit was like witches and all this when I came out as a witch and I was going through all this weird shit, we were weird, we were the fucking weirdos.

Speaker 2: 32:37

Now it's all over the place. Everybody's mother, brother, sister, their cousin thinks there's a fucking witch and people don't like judge too too much. But I went through the shit alone, Like when I went through the C paralysis, my spiritual awakening, and I started to always feel things whatever. And then I met my gay husband and he was. I used to wear all these crystals. Actually, I think I have garnet on right now.

Speaker 1: 32:58

Oh nice.

Speaker 2: 33:03

But his mom like as far as, like talking to the dead and feeling certain energies and stuff like that it's really rare to find somebody who actually doesn't think you're fucking insane and has been through the same thing. So he had me like their house was literally haunted, literally haunted. Walk through it, whatever.

Speaker 1: 33:18

Wait, why so? How is it haunted?

Speaker 2: 33:21

Oh my God, it's some crazy shit you want me to tell you. Yeah, first of all, the spirit touched my hoo-ha when I was like I swear to fucking God, bro, I got up so motherfucking quick nick was. It was in my um nick's room or whatever, and he was with this guy at the time. I fell asleep on the floor. I literally wake up. I swear to god the. The spirit tapped my what my hoo-ha, swear to god casper was.

Speaker 2: 33:45

It was acting a little it was something like some scary movie shit, but in real life I've had spirits push me down, take me physically. It's not a game. I know it says in the Bible they can't touch you, but that's like Mari, that was a lie. There's a lot of weird shit that happens, but she was the only person in the whole entire existence of life who sat me down. She saw and felt the same things, things. I wasn't fucking crazy. Well, I am a little bit crazy, I mean, you know, but as far as the gift in itself.

Speaker 2: 34:19

she was really there for me for so many years Like did she have like a particular?

Speaker 1: 34:25

did you guys have like a particular conversation? That?

Speaker 2: 34:28

thousands of conversations and she, just she just got it, she just knew it, and I never had anybody in the world get me so completely is she still here?

Speaker 1: 34:38

is she still alive?

Speaker 2: 34:39

yeah, oh, yeah, yeah she's still alive, so um I need to go visit her soon yeah, that's what I was gonna say, but if I didn't, have her, I probably would have thought that I was like literally, like mentally insane and then I've met some other witches along the line. Uh hi, liz yo shout out to Liz that's my dark witch wife, um, but you know she was the one who kind of introduced me to some of the black magic and things like that too, but it's.

Speaker 2: 35:03

It's funny because how we both started off, you know drifting, but then it's like we all realize like coming back to God too, so automatically people will just think, oh, which? Oh, you're of satan you're if no, that's not how it works. It's upon intentions. As long as you're not like there are some people out here you really have to like fucking watch out for, because yeah, scams, you mean kind of no, no, no I'm not talking about scams, like even just people on.

Speaker 2: 35:28

Let's just say, for an example, some girl tried to like serve you food, okay, and you didn't know she was a witch. People can literally spell your food and try to and then give it to you as like that and they take it as an offering. And now guess what? You just got obsessed oh, shoot, yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:46

And then what?

Speaker 2: 35:46

what can she do if, when I'm obsessed, well, that's why you got to make sure you're not dating a witch or what type of witch that you're dating.

Speaker 1: 35:53

Oh, shoot, okay, I'm going to have to make some calls after this. Then let's see here, tell me a little bit oh, no, we're going to kind of switch topics a little bit, but tell me a little bit about do you have any children? Do you? Uh, let's see here, um, the parenting style that you have, you know, compared to like uh, you know some of the advice I guess you could say like to to your clients. Um, tell me about, like the children, how many kids do you have?

Speaker 1: 36:25

One a son, you said one teenager. Yeah, 15 next month you do not look like you have a teenager. So, uh, no, that's awesome and uh, tell me a little bit. I think we were speaking about um being open with him, you know, and certain things that you are um trying to maybe do differently yeah and maybe your parents did, or possibly grandparents.

Speaker 1: 36:51

But but yeah, tell me about, give me, or you know the audience, a little bit of advice on possibly, like you know, parenting and you know what, how to navigate that complicated world these days.

Speaker 2: 37:06

Well, I will say first, as far as not only being a boy mom, but a teenage boy, I don't think anybody could have prepared me for that shit I'm just like you know right now, and like he's like taller than me, he's smart as hell.

Speaker 2: 37:22

We're both life path nines, aquarius, capricorn aquarius. I'm the opposite of him, but we're so much alike like. I'm very open, though, and I feel like that's what my parents did for me. They were very open so I knew what's up. Obviously there's certain boundaries and things like that. They have to know their place, be respectful or whatever.

Speaker 2: 37:41

But one thing that I really poured out into my child myself growing up, other than my great-grandmother, who had passed away after that, like my parents were not like I love you people. Like I didn't get hugs, I didn't get fucking reassurance. I got you talk too much. Get out of my face. They're much better now. I'm not trying to talk shit, but just got to give you all the backstory of why I am the way that I am. It's good that you said that, yeah, because I mean I forget you know they've learned my family's done a lot better because, guess what, it affected me in a really big way. They acknowledge that. But one thing I never wanted my son to go through was ever have a second doubt in his mind that he is not loved and appreciated, and isn't the best thing that ever fucking happened to me yeah, I would not be alive.

Speaker 2: 38:25

I would not be here if it was not for him what was his name? One more time pj, pj.

Speaker 1: 38:29

A shout out to PJ Listen, your mom really loves you and she talks highly of you, so look out for her later on in life. If you could see PJ doing or being anything in life, what could you see him doing or being?

Speaker 2: 38:46

Well, I always tell him all the time, like being a single mother, it's always, like you know, just been me and him. One thing I always tell him and he's seen obviously you know what we go through and things like that and growing up together.

Speaker 2: 38:59

I always say he's going to be the best father and the best husband one day, because he's seen me go through certain things and he knows like he's very respectful I could see him doing. He wants to be an actor. He does animation. Fun fact my song demons, my son, shout out to shane alexander, who believed in pj, to get him on that and be like go ahead, let him breathe, cassie, let him do his thing. Pj did his thing and he helped produce my song. And he was only 12 years old when he recorded and featured in the song B-I-T-C-H as well, which means beautiful, intelligent, talented, cool and hot that's what that stands for.

Speaker 1: 39:38

I love that. Oh, hit him with the. We'll put that in there, nice.

Speaker 2: 39:43

Oh, that's amazing but, um you know, I don't want him to be limited. I can see him doing whatever he wanted in life, and that's one thing too, also growing up that I did differently. My, my parents, or, you know, my grandma, get a regular job, do this. I used to do graphic designing. I used to love art.

Speaker 2: 40:13

I didn't make me happy yeah you know so I don't ever want to force my child just because it's a good job that he has to do it. You know what I'm saying. I want my kid to do what the fuck he wants and be happy with his time on earth well, I love that.

Speaker 1: 40:27

That's awesome. That's so great to hear. Let's see here, um, I know we went through so many different topics. No, it's great, I love that. You know we're able to, you know, hop back and forth to so many different things. Is there anything that you wanted to, you know? Say that you think that we haven't talked about or any particular topics that you think are really important, whether it be I want to pick your brain up something. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:58

If you're okay with it.

Speaker 1: 40:59

Of course.

Speaker 2: 41:00

I had this conversation with one of my friends. Shout out to Dylan.

Speaker 2: 41:04

Shout out we were talking one day and he's very, very open you know about, like mental health and childhood traumas, and why does it take a certain type of man to not be able to open up, like, what are y'all's men's fears? Is it because you guys are afraid of being vulnerable with somebody or having a safe place, or is it because of how you are raised or the stigma of men and how men are supposed to be? Because, I see, rarely you know a couple people will be open and vulnerable and feel comfortable and safe. But then you sometimes you got that man who keeps everything in and he just deals with it himself and you can tell they're about to blow off their top, but as a man they feel like they cannot. Can I ask you about that? That, or do you ever have certain fears, or does it depend?

Speaker 2: 41:57

yeah, it's different because you're a man I think it.

Speaker 1: 41:59

I mean, I can only speak for myself. You know it's crazy, right, there's like 50, 50, 50 percent of us are men out here. But I can only speak for what I've gone through personally and I see what you're saying, though I do have, you know, friends and uh, let's see here, um, associates, I guess you could say, in the music industry, um, who are kind of older men, who you can tell they they have that they're kind of like a not like a ticking time bomb, but you know it's. I think it has a lot to do with having an outlet, you know, and being able to uh, you know, flow through that outlet. And I'm lucky enough to have found music at the age that I did, and let's see here, I mean, I played the violin when I was like six years old.

Speaker 2: 42:59

Shut up. I did not know that, yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:01

So that really helped me just understand how to speak through something else. To speak through something else, you know, I think it does have a lot to do with not even like having a therapist per se, but you do have to have your own form of therapy and you know, mine would be basically songwriting, and in that songwriting I can get my, my, my fears out. You know, even if it's just on a piece of paper, I I still am able to to get it out. So I do feel like, you know, men and women, everyone need their own outlet to be able to speak through. And even if it's that thing that you do, like in a room by yourself, you know, say no one is even there. That can be just as beneficial. But I do see where you're coming from.

Speaker 2: 44:08

So like men who shut down do not have a proper outlet.

Speaker 1: 44:13

Yeah, I would agree with that. I would say that they don't have a proper outlet or a proper way to communicate with the world and they kind of put that wall up and over time that wall just gets higher and higher. And over time that wall just gets higher and higher and as that time passes too, they have a harder time taking that U-turn and saying, ok, you know what I do? Feel like I can open up or I can. So I feel like the earlier you do that, or the younger that you're able to do that, or the younger that you're able to do that, the better off that you are later on in life and being able to communicate with the people around you.

Speaker 2: 44:58

I was just thinking in my head there's got to be a difference between having an outlet and having a distraction.

Speaker 1: 45:06

Yeah, let's see here the difference between an outlet and a distraction. I think an outlet is something that serves you internally. A distraction is something that serves whatever that thing is Temporarily like a band-aid. Yeah, exactly so it's really what the purpose that is tied to whatever that outside force is.

Speaker 2: 45:34

Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people tend to distract themselves, but that's not us even healing at all.

Speaker 1: 45:40

We're just distracting.

Speaker 2: 45:42

whatever it is, we're not taking that time to take a step back and then like a heartbreak or something like that.

Speaker 1: 45:48

Right. Speaking of distractions.

Speaker 2: 45:51

Oh Wait, which ones? Oh yeah, these right here. Yeah, the top ones.