Speaker 2: 0:00

leave me be, that pisses me off so much so good and and that's the coolest thing about music, though like you can I I. You know some people love it, some people. There's some songs that I have that like I made a long time ago and like I have this like funny relationship with them like I made it, but like do I still have to love it?

Speaker 1: 0:21

you know, sometimes I send it out into the world, yeah, and it just kind of it just goes Everything's going to be all right, everything's going to be okay, everything's going to be all right, everything's going to be okay, everything's going to be all right, long as you respect my, long as you respect my, everything's going to be all right, all right, all right, all right, all right you got it down to a T-bap.

Speaker 2: 1:02

No, thank you, Doug. Thanks for being here. I got Chris Granger in the house on the Respecting Perspectives podcast and I'm so excited to have this young man here bursting out the seams. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Yeah, man.

Speaker 1: 1:25

Tell the guests a little about yourself so I'm from the uk, um, I am studying computing and I've always had a very kind of technological mind. I'm very much interested in, uh, you know, anything to do with tech, whether it's video, photo, just IT, telecoms in general. It's something that just speaks to me and I feel a particular connection with a lot of the technology that I work with, just because I'm very technically minded and it just plays to strengths. So I'm very able and, um, happy to, you know, always help people with any sort of it issues that they've got going on this guy has helped me with a lot of my technical issues.

Speaker 2: 2:14

He's always just a text away and it's.

Speaker 1: 2:17

It's really, uh, it's cool, he's on speed dial um, or I'm on his speed dial more like oh for sure, for sure, for sure. There's been times where he's phoned me up. It's been like 1 am in the morning. Hey, Andrew, how's it going what you?

Speaker 2: 2:30

need help with, and there's a five-hour difference too right, yep, there's that too. So we're always trying to juggle that. Yeah, so it always, you know there's something different going on every single time, for sure. So I have a question for you Tell me a little bit about your background with Apple and how that's kind of shaped your future.

Speaker 1: 2:58

So my background with Apple it started from a really young age and I don't know what really happened. I kind of, just um, had a natural love for it all and it was something where, as soon as I was able to understand the technology, I was like I want an iphone and I saw the potential I guess.

Speaker 2: 3:24

Yeah, I saw the potential, I guess.

Speaker 1: 3:25

Yeah, I saw the potential and it was just something where I really liked how put together it was. It was a good product and it just spoke to me on a level that was, you know, very deep down.

Speaker 1: 3:40

And so from probably about five years old, I went from really enjoying my leapfrog, my OG leapfrog for the people that would be knowing what that is Shout out To wanting an iPhone, and I think at the time it was like the iPhone 4, 4s was still current, so I'm still pretty young. 4, 4s was still current, so I'm still pretty young.

Speaker 2: 4:10

But, it was far enough in that I was able to, you know, tell my parents I'm interested in this. Are there any particular features about it that you know really stood out to you and were one of the reasons that made you like? You know, I personally with the iPod, you know that was the thing that I was always interested in, the very beginning. What about you?

Speaker 1: 4:28

that that was that. Was it so that year that I was kind of um saying to my parents I want an iphone, I want an iphone? Um, I got a ipod touch fourth generation, and it was something where I freaked out. I I like could have done a backflip if I tried. I was so stoked and that was what started by my real love for apple, which was getting into the ecosystem and, you know, seeing what the potential is. Um, I know, in a more modern context, uh, you know, like, I've got my apple watch on which connects to my phone.

Speaker 1: 5:07

My phone connects to my macbook you know, everything's interconnected and the thing is, is that, like with samsung, they have the same? Uh, you know devices and products, but it's just not, in my opinion, not polished enough to the point where I would make the switch. My first phone was an Android, so I can't, you know, people can't really say Can't hate.

Speaker 2: 5:32

I guess because you started from the bottom. Now you're here.

Speaker 1: 5:35

Exactly, and so you know there's pros and cons to you know everything, but I feel that the Apple ecosystem definitely, um, you know it does what it needs for me and so I I just kind of take it as it is and I've been able to use it to, you know, obviously, connect out with you for sure, for facetime, for sure tell them about your the instagram page that you have, um, and you know how you started that and what.

Speaker 2: 6:03

How old were you when you started that?

Speaker 1: 6:04

yeah, so I, I was 11 years old, um, and this was when I first started, uh, kind of using social media. I downloaded an app called telegram, okay, and I remember that. Yeah, and so I met someone called holden Satterwhite on there who was also interested in Apple on kind of like the same obsessive level that.

Speaker 2: 6:31

I was.

Speaker 1: 6:33

And so it became a thing where we spent a couple months talking out just saying what we liked, what we didn't like and just like oh, what do you think of the new update, ios update and things like that. And then, on December 24th 2015, we started the Instagram page for my brand. It's called Appilosophy A-P-P-L-E-O-S-O-P-H-Y Philosophy of Apple. And, yeah, so we started with that. We started doing posts. It was trying to inform other people about the different updates about Apple, new product releases, just kind of things to look out for New phones coming out.

Speaker 2: 7:17

New phones.

Speaker 1: 7:18

The features? Yep, exactly. And we were able to build it up off the skin of our own back. We didn't really have much assistance from parents or anyone else. It was very much learning the hard way and just kind of going with the flow. There were a few times where we just had some screw-ups and we definitely needed to learn from those and just kind of keep on moving. That's life, man. Yep, exactly. And so we we had those moments and we've been able to grow it to the point where we've got a website now which was started in 2018 nice and then it's a really cool website thank you, it is.

Speaker 1: 8:03

It's. It's huge though it's. It's got articles dating all the way back to, I think, like 2016. It's well put together.

Speaker 2: 8:16

The design itself is really, is really cool, but Chris and I really have developed a bond and a relationship that is even hard to describe, and we'll get a little into it. I want you to tell all my friends and family and everybody else who's watching this you know, the story of how you found me and the story that is one of the things that has helped me achieve whatever level of happiness that of happiness that exists because the way in which we came together in such crazy settings and environments is one for the ages.

Speaker 1: 9:16

Yeah, as I said, just a little ways back, I'm from the UK, I live in the UK. A little ways back, I'm from the uk, I live in the uk, and so my kind of thing for meeting andrew was was a little bit interesting. Um, I had a friend who went to school, uh, in kind of the baltimore area, and basically one day, um, I think I had finished school for for the holidays it was christmas time. Okay, um, finished school and I just saw I'll see what he's up to. Had some time on your hands, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:54

And so went on to a social media app called snapchat okay and on snap there's this feature called Snap Maps, which allows you to view user-submitted videos and photos to basically a big map that anyone is able to kind of like zoom in on. That's pretty cool. Tap and it opens up with whatever's going on in that area. Geographical yeah, so I had his location and I was just seeing what was going on in his area. Geographical yeah, so I had his location and I was just seeing what was going on in his little bubble around around baltimore and I I get this video and I actually have it down here if I get my phone out um the actual the video the original video yep, and I'll let you have a play of it.

Speaker 1: 10:45

Oh, this is cool, and so, if you, yeah, press the. Press the play button, let's see Numbness yeah, that's the new.

Speaker 2: 11:14

And I kinda dig a moose Numbness. That's the new thing Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain. Oh, this is that unreleased. He did music that changed my life and somebody else's. Oh, dude, thanks for showing me that that's really cool to see, and so I screen recorded that. We're talking like 8 to 15 second clips. Okay, let's just.

Speaker 1: 11:56

Yeah, and it was on Snapchat Maps and so I thought that sounds cool. I, you know, thought that sounds cool like I could the the. The original thought that I had, especially for that cry and rain um snippet was, and I don't know why, it was just weirdly specific driving down like a highway in georgia just after, like a summer rainfall.

Speaker 2: 12:24

Paint the picture paint the picture sunset kind of like a pinky, purple hue.

Speaker 1: 12:29

Oh, I see it. Yeah, I see it, and for again an unknown reason, I'm driving a nice lexus. Oh, shoot, and okay. So I'm there and that's what I just imagined when I listened to that little snippet and that's awesome. Awesome, I mean. Same for numbness, numbness. It just like it hit something in my brain and I was just like yo dopamine rush that was. It was nuts.

Speaker 2: 12:53

Thank you for explaining that and getting a little bit deeper with me on that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1: 12:58

But the weird thing was is that I sat on that and I had it almost immediately after. I took that through recording, um tried to Shazam it and and so you know, you try and recognize the music and I tried Shazam, I tried SoundHound and a bunch of other services which are supposed to be able to identify the music, and they couldn't and this was, mind you, this was before I had the website, before I even worked on any seo.

Speaker 2: 13:31

This is before everything, when just the idea was really at the forefront but I just hadn't taken any action to get it out there exactly, and so nothing existed.

Speaker 1: 13:41

He was basically, you know, just just a nomad.

Speaker 1: 13:44

I could not, was I going awol yeah, he was going, and so I sat on it for about six months and then covid came around and I was like I've got a whole bunch of time, what do I want to do? And so then I thought I'll go, you know, back to this video, and I'd gone back to it at several points. Um, you know, throughout the six months that I failed to identify the song. Um, you know, just listening to it every now and then just keeping it in the back of my head. And now that cover came along and I had this time to investigate what it was. I started off by looking at the location of the screen recording again, and then from there going onto my computer and going onto, you know, maps and zooming in a whole bunch.

Speaker 2: 14:38

And to the location that you found on the Snapchat.

Speaker 1: 14:41

Yeah, to the, to the location, the location, and I I saw nothing. I was like crap. You know I've, I've hit a dead end at the first hurdle. Dag nabbit, yeah, exactly, um g willikers. And then I decided, you know, I'll go, he's louise, exactly I, okay. I then decided, oh, I'll go street view, went into street view and then business pops up above ground studios and I'm like, have I got a little bit of a lead here? Oh shoot. And so I click on it and this is when the kind of fbi level, um, you know, detective investigation starts. Oh shoot. So I open up the page for above ground studios and then they've got some uploaded images which are like three 360 camera um captures, and so I click on one of them and I start looking around the studio. You know, click drag, click drag, and looking for anything familiar.

Speaker 1: 15:43

I guess that you saw in the video and so in the video um, when we're editing this, we'll get up the stills. Um, I saw the computer and the keyboard layout and then in one of the crying rain videos I believe it was in the there is who I now know to be called Nate, the infamous Nate doll, exactly, and so I look in the background, I see him and I see his photo on the website. So, like, okay, that checks out Matched up.

Speaker 2: 16:17

Matched up Matchcom right there Okay.

Speaker 1: 16:20

I don't swing that way, but yeah. So then I link it up and I say, yep, that is the place where the video was recorded, because I was thinking, oh, this guy's probably recorded it in his house and he's just uploaded it on, you know, like a weekend where he's had a couple beers, you're right and I thought I thought damn, but I found it and I and I was so excited because I immediately went to the contact page on the website and I said who's this guy?

Speaker 1: 16:50

And I sent him the original video and Nate comes back with it's AWOL. Yeah, it was just like.

Speaker 2: 17:04

A man of few words.

Speaker 1: 17:05

Yeah, the few, the fewest possible words that could have been responded to. Yeah, man, yeah, it's able, it's able, um? And so I thought brilliant, great thanks, at least he's pointed me in the right direction. There you go. And so then what I did was went through soundcloud or no. I started with apple music, couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2: 17:30

Started with spotify not established yet distributing again nothing there soundcloud.

Speaker 1: 17:37

I then click on to um. You know the search results for A-W-A-L-L and it returned something crazy like 500. And I spent ages going through seeing if they had published any music. A lot of them were profiles where there weren't even profile pictures or anything like that. So it was really kind of just trial and error, just keep going until I hit something Right, and there were a few.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Was there anything in particular that you were looking for?

Speaker 1: 18:08

No, not really. I was sort of just. I had the context that you were in Baltimore, so that was probably the main bit of evidence that I had.

Speaker 1: 18:17

I had your face but I couldn't see, you know, in the search results, any profile photos that had you know yourcha your little face on and so I eventually get to one where it's a wall artist and it's in baltimore, it's tagged up and so I thought, fingers crossed, click on it and I play some of the old tracks from a wall, believe me, and me ppvs, me ppvs by marillo pictures, poems, visions produced by marillo, and that is under uh gravitas recordings yep, I'm proud of that one and and so that was the first one that I remember listening to, and I was like I hear him come in and I'm like, yep, that's, that's him, that's the guy, that's our guy got him, and I see on the SoundCloud page that he's also linked his Facebook page and so I click on that just to see what's out there and I see his phone number.

Speaker 1: 19:18

A little bit of information security. You probably shouldn't do that nowadays.

Speaker 2: 19:22

I think we've probably talked about this before.

Speaker 1: 19:25

You could do it with the RP hotlineline which will will tag down, oh shoot, oh nice and um, yeah, the phone number was his personal phone number, so what I did then was just prank me.

Speaker 2: 19:40

Hey, you want to just prank me?

Speaker 1: 19:42

yeah, exactly just saying that, yeah, I'll have. I'll have 10 large pizzas, please pepperoni and cheese. And yeah, so I've. I sent him a text message and I sort of said yo, I screen recorded your videos from from snapchat. You know, can I have a listen? Um?

Speaker 2: 20:03

dude. I remember getting that message and I was at work and I'm like, reading this and it it felt like one of those email scams. You know that like you, you like you, you like this is almost like too cool to even like happen, you know. And he gave me the details, like he tried to give me the details in text as much as possible. And I remember the first thing I thought I'm like we need to get a call in, like I was like I need to talk to you. I need to actually make sure you're not like a robot or something. And he was like, yeah, sure thing, so he calls me or I call I'm not sure how that worked.

Speaker 2: 20:50

He's a human and he starts talking normal and I'm like last time I checked, I am yeah, right, yeah right, check, and it was, it was cool, because I'm like, okay, well, okay, you know, I started to dig a little bit and ask you questions and try and really just figure out. You know what this was and you know how it played in the bigger picture of my music, you know. And when I started to read the text and try and decipher, like what this kid went through, you know, to try and find me for, for, whatever he was, maybe he was going through something at the time and just it helped him. You know, is there any specific thing that that the songs did for you? Like? Was there? Was there a feeling that you felt was, did that song help provide a specific feeling?

Speaker 1: 21:49

I think it was. It was a little bit of the, the kind of dopamine, but then also the serotonin that was going through my head, which was, you know, this sounds good. I would like to say that I contacted you in the pursuit of good music and I wasn't going to be, you know, deterred by the fact that I had to do a little bit of digging and so, you know, taking the time to do that outreach, I was really anxious that it was just going to get, you know, blown over.

Speaker 1: 22:21

You were going to read it and then it was going to be ah, that's a scam swipe. And it was really reassuring to have you then reach out and kind of ask a bunch of counter questions. You know the how's the wise that you know who are you. You're so curious, but I think for me it was just finding good music but then also just having something. Um, you know there was purpose. I wanted to find who made that song and I found him dude, I let me tell you something.

Speaker 2: 22:58

That song too, those that that group of songs has, and it's it's a, a tape that I have called numbness that I will release just really is the closest project to my heart, and I would hope that I can show the world it's at some point and really be, you know, ready to do it. But either way, it changed my life too. The song and the material it drove me to a way that I can't even explain. It was the thing that got me up every single morning and then, like for you to reach out to me and be like this kid you know from across the world, you know, like, look at what music has done. I mean for you and I and man, that story and what goes into it Is the stuff that Dreams are made of.

Speaker 1: 24:13

I like to think that it was a massive turning point. You know, like, speaking right here right now, there was a point where you know, you kind of sussed out who I was, and you know I told you that I did. You know little social media bits and websites and things like that, the kind of nerdy tech stuff, and then you had that kind of realization of you know that's what I need. And so I, you know, not only was able to connect with the music but have the purpose of getting into something that, for me at the time, was entirely new purpose of getting into something that, for me at the time, was entirely new.

Speaker 2: 24:58

so so what I feel like we did was we took my love for music and his love for technology, agreed, and we just combined it, and you know there have been so many different roles that this kid has taken on in order for AWOL artists to be the thing that we can be proud of today, and everything from cover art to press releases to website. Okay, I want you to know that he, he makes websites and he designs websites, and he can help you with so many different things. Are there any things specifically that you think? Um, you know you'd like to let some people in on that. Maybe is some part of your expertise and then maybe some clients that that some listeners could become possibly yeah, I mean we, the.

Speaker 1: 25:56

The thing is is like I was saying when you know, we first started recording my my love for technology goes the whole way around runs deep.

Speaker 1: 26:05

Yeah, the you know amount of uh projects that I've worked on and things like that is so vast, and so, like you know, apps, websites, social media management, marketing design you know it really becomes multifaceted, and so, for sure, it's something where I would rather have someone reach out to me and, you know, say this is what I'm working on and this is, you know, what I need help with or this is what I could need help with, and then I'd rather have the ability to turn around and say I think I can help or I can help.

Speaker 1: 26:52

or sometimes I have people come around and that's not really part of my repertoire or my skill set that I feel would be at a high enough level to help you with your project. And that was something that I also appreciated from you was working in music was entirely new to me. I'd never published a song, never written a press release or had any sort of process for recording a song, mixing and mastering and then putting you know, putting it out to production. Obviously that's a shortened process, but For sure you know what.

Speaker 2: 27:38

Sorry to interrupt, I would like to say that you became more of a hands-on consultant.

Speaker 1: 27:47

Exactly, I, I got way more hands-on. Um, obviously there were things where you kind of said more hands-on. Um, obviously there were things where you kind of said just do your thing. And that was mostly like with the website and uh, with the, with the social media and some of the press.

Speaker 2: 28:01

But I did have like some references yeah, you had that's really important anytime, all right. Hey, side note artists when you're out there trying to get cover art or a music video or your song to sound a particular way, references having references are key in getting your idea across. And guess what? They're out there somewhere. You know you, you got, you got inspired by something. You just have to be able to track that down.

Speaker 1: 28:35

Get a little pinterest board going oh, dude, yeah, yeah, or, or I mean like some of the stuff. He'll just send me a text message and it'll just be reference and it's same way me to him, he'll, I'll see something in reference.

Speaker 2: 28:49

Yeah, we're just back and forth in references over here I'll just see something.

Speaker 1: 28:53

It'll be like that'd be cool for a song.

Speaker 2: 28:55

For sure.

Speaker 1: 28:56

Either music, video-wise or I like this beat Just always back and forth. And that's another thing that I would say is the discourse If you're able to have really good communication with either another person or a group of people that you're working with for your music, then it becomes so much more valuable when you have a clear line of communication that goes both ways.

Speaker 1: 29:22

Yeah, um, because when it's one way and it's like that's a great point you because, because like to to be honest you, you pay me for the work that I do, and fair enough, of course, because nothing— I appreciate it that much.

Speaker 2: 29:39

And for you to focus your energy on my passion and my art. I couldn't thank you enough.

Speaker 1: 29:50

I appreciate it and yeah, it's just something where, even though he's paying me, I'll do him a service. I, you know, will you know? Like I was saying earlier, I'll be awake, ready to take a call at 2 am in the morning, because that's how much it means to me. And that's not to say that I do it for everyone, because I most certainly don't.

Speaker 2: 30:12

There are some people that will phone me phone me even at like during business oh right, two o'clock during the day and you're still like put the phone down.

Speaker 1: 30:20

I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, or or um, it'd be like um, the telephone from oh, what's the music video? What operator? Yeah, from operator, just smash it on the floor, get a sledgehammer to get the guitars. Exactly, I can see it now and it's just like I don't want to talk to you. But whenever andrew calls, I want to be there because I've gone through the process of, you know, of finding his music and we have a very clear, open, honest communication line tell them about the song release checklist.

Speaker 1: 30:56

Oh yeah, so we have a checklist, which I forget the original inspiration from. I think it was from a course that you might have done. Yeah, and he's like you know we need to develop something. So we've got a spreadsheet that has pretty much everything that goes into a release, now that andrew does, and we've been doing that since I'm trying to remember it probably be like since I met you.

Speaker 1: 31:23

Well, yeah, maybe like three or four years ago distant was the first track that we kind of started with the checklist on sort of took the porsche on the golf pro course yeah, we drove a porsche on a golf course that was fun. He was a naughty guy I have naughty days.

Speaker 2: 31:42

I do have.

Speaker 1: 31:43

I had a time where I was just just naughty yeah, but before, before I straightened about and was like, right, yeah, he was like you gotta take this serious man dude, you know what, what?

Speaker 2: 31:52

Let me tell you about this. That was a turning point in my career. It actually did straighten me up as much. As you know, I'm kind of joking about I don't know like three to five that have strictly influenced the fork in the road that I was presented with and proudly took the right way, and that's good. And, dude, you really helped me get my ideas out. Man, like that's something that it's really hard to understand.

Speaker 2: 32:43

I guess, if you're not someone who's you know I guess creative, you could say because you know you have some output and as you do that, you know you try and learn from it. You know, like, yeah, I think I've said before, you know, my, my songs are just messages to, to not even just me, but like you and people that are close to me, that I really want to truly inspire on an individual level. You know I I think that's really important is the conversation that you have, and you know I'll talk about the summit that I was just at, the mastermind down in Florida with KSK and Anonymous, and you know it was an amazing experience. It, you know it was beyond what I expected and it was just really amazing to be able to learn and see some teams that are doing it the right way, and it has a lot to do with that team structure.

Speaker 1: 33:43

Exactly I agree.

Speaker 2: 33:46

And let me ask you this what team, what part of the team do you say you um are are best?

Speaker 1: 33:54

uh, at like like I want you to kind of get into like free falling, how we shot the video and things like that so that that one was interesting because I feel like my, my role with uh, with app philosophy, is, um, I'm chief operations officer, so it's a little bit more, yeah, managerial, um, but also, you know, because I I co-founded it with uh, with holden, it's something where, you know, it just naturally falls into place that way, um, but with free fallen, that was a complete pivot for me because I became a little bit of it's gonna sound cliche, but a little bit of everything and free fallen is a track that I released, maybe like three years ago, that he was really inspired by and wanted to.

Speaker 2: 34:46

We wanted to to turn this idea that I had into something larger and, with the you know, we, we filmed this whole thing yeah, we shot it pretty much in.

Speaker 1: 34:57

What was it? It was a day and we shot it all on iphone, so that goes back to you know my, my tech side, um, all on iphone. We had a tripod and a gimbal, um, but the the fun way that you know, andrew, and I describe it is two guys a good wheelchair and a rental car.

Speaker 2: 35:18

Dude, let me tell you something, figuring out that it was that possible and that I'm not even going to say easy, but doable With a little bit of preparation. Know, you do have to be the director when you're making a music video. You have to be a director, exactly, and whether you're directing yourself or you're directing others, it really comes down to what type of direction are you going to be able to give and and that was what was interesting for me was that it became not just a managerial thing.

Speaker 1: 35:55

Obviously, I did all sorts of like planning documents. I said these are the props we're going to need, these are the potential locations.

Speaker 2: 36:02

The charts.

Speaker 1: 36:03

You had charts, yep, I had charts and it was all kind of things that we-.

Speaker 2: 36:07

Pie graphs. You even had like a pie graph of, like, the time of day where the sun will be, and like, is this going to be optimal to where? The camera will also be. I'm like dude, this is baller.

Speaker 1: 36:25

And the funny thing for me was that it was my first time doing it and I just thought I'm just going to go absolutely ham on this because there's no point kind of half-assing it, and then there's also no point in rejecting it.

Speaker 2: 36:36

Dude, you went the whole pig on it Exactly, not just him, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1: 36:40

I wanted to really kind of just push myself but also try some new things with Andrew and luckily you're very much a guy who if I come to and I'm open and I'm honest and I say, you know, this isn't really my thing or I've never done this before, you'll say do it anyways.

Speaker 2: 37:02

And that's one thing that I feel was really prevalent on this project for Free Fallen was just… Wait, okay, so like do it anyways, though, like in a way Well, I feel I'm not too like, I'm not, I'm not being a dick ami no, yeah, no, but yeah, it's um, it's more of a like you're, you're pushing the boat out for me you're saying oh, thank, I like the way you put that I have the trust in you that you will do something.

Speaker 1: 37:33

If it's good, good. If it's bad, eh yeah, try it. And this is the thing is that, with the amount of investment that you've put into your music, it makes equal sense to start putting the finance and the budgeting towards the other parts that people consume, because people want the videos, people want to have things advertised to them, things that are nice, not necessarily, you know, some like cheap Chinese crap.

Speaker 2: 38:00

Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1: 38:03

But you get the picture. Some offline online, you know yeah yeah, yeah, hot singles in your area, oh shit, right. But yeah, it's to the point where he was just saying I've got faith in you to do something and so it was just a case of I put the plans together. Andrew tried really, really hard on trying to stick to the timings and we worked out a whole bunch of things just to make sure that we were able to make it happen.

Speaker 2: 38:35

Like, a run, a show type thing, right, Exactly. I'm sure there's a complicated term for a music video as well, but other than a show, but it's like the rundown of all the things that are going to happen. And I think one of the most important things to that is times and making sure that you try and stick to those times, Like you know what. Making sure that you try and stick to those times Like you know what. Let me just shout out real quick, because you know, we're a few episodes in and man, we came in here and got this to a point to where it's just it's just it's it's natural now and it feels good to be able to, to really have a grasp on a vision and like, really, you know, know, being able to like adjust it in ways that feel like it's being enhanced yeah, it's, it's sorry, I took that, no, you do your thing.

Speaker 2: 39:29

I mean, this is your show, so it's like I would consider our show actually like for this one at least.

Speaker 1: 39:35

All right, I appreciate that um, but yeah, I mean, it was just where we we did, we did it and we filmed a lot of the scenes like, uh, non-chronologically, we, you know, started off with, um, the beginning of the song, and then we went to the end of the song and then the middle of the song and it, it was all basically working around the daylight that we had. Yeah, for sure, because it was filmed outside, and so, you know, we tried really hard.

Speaker 2: 40:06

Do you have any tips or tricks that you think would work? You know well when a new artist is trying to film a video with an iPhone. I just cut you off there, I'm sorry. No, no, no.

Speaker 1: 40:19

What I would say like tips would be film everything, I would say, like a minimum of three times, and I'm not talking about just like a specific. Well, in the context of Free Fall we filmed, you know, the entire song three times. So then we had different angles, different reference points to go off of, and so if that's your kind of methodology for filming your video, then record it three times. If you're just doing a specific scene where it's more kind of like acting than it is working out the music side to it, then I would still say you know, do it do more than once. Yeah, sometimes you know, do it more than once.

Speaker 1: 40:59

Sometimes, you know, budget restrictions mean that you can't do it more often, but at least get like two takes, and if that means that you have to have two cameras set up, that's kind of the thing that you should do, you know, just to be able to get those angles. But I would also say what I learned from that project, because that was my first music video. I hadn't, you know, done any sort of major videography.

Speaker 2: 41:27

I remember going into that, you know, kind of thinking about that, and how I could kind of guide you in a way that was able you were able to, you know, get your ideas to fall.

Speaker 1: 41:41

And I like what you did there. And, yeah, it was just kind of like we got everything into place. It went really smooth for what it was. And then I got home later that day and I just started editing. And I think the turnaround for that was like a day and a half and that wasn't imposed by you. That was me being so motivated I just like. I just want to do it.

Speaker 2: 42:05

Oh man, that's cool dude.

Speaker 1: 42:07

I was.

Speaker 2: 42:07

I was like uh, you know, jackrabbit, I was literally just feeling to want to really just like, yeah, get that thing completed so you could, yeah, send it out there and I was.

Speaker 1: 42:17

I'm still really proud of it. Like I said, it's my first music video Me too, yeah, and so it was just something where I could say like, look, Mom, I did that, Mama he made it.

Speaker 2: 42:29

I did that Right, oh man, okay. So let's talk a little bit about accountability.

Speaker 1: 42:36

Yeah, okay, out accountability yeah, okay, and the fact that you're always continuously learning, developing yeah, you know, be accountable, I think.

Speaker 1: 42:49

Well, I mean, you can probably uh speak your mind on this there. There's been times where you know, like going back to the original story of where I, you know, met Andrew A Will Cornwall, where it was more of a. You know, I'm a huge fan of your music, but I don't think at any point there was ever a point where I was like, yeah, I'm a kiss ass, yeah, gotcha. There's certain songs I don't feel like I don't think there was a there.

Speaker 2: 43:21

You know what at first it was. Just I was just trying to get a feel for you know, because unfortunately there's there's like scams out there it's fair it's fair. So you have to kind of, you know, you have to tread tread lightly, but I think there's just right questions, right maybe? Yeah, the right questions and things like that.

Speaker 1: 43:38

And then when we got into you know you have to tread lightly, but I think it was just right questions, right, yeah, the right questions, and things like that. And then when we got into you know, actually doing business together, there was never a point where I would lie to you. I wouldn't ever, you know, look you dead in the eye and say I really like that song. Because there are several songs, should I name drop them or Dude?

Speaker 2: 44:00

there's several songs Um. Should I name drop them or? Uh, dude, you can name drop anything you want Leave?

Speaker 2: 44:07

me be that pisses me off so good and, and that's the coolest thing about music though Like you can I I you know some people love it, Some people. There's some songs that I have that like I made a long time ago and like I have this like funny relationship with them like I made it, but like do I still have to love it? You know, sometimes I send it out into the world, yeah, and it just kind of it just goes it just, and you, you kind of forget about it.

Speaker 1: 44:31

Yeah, yeah, but the the point that I'm trying to make is is that you know, like I can tell you I didn't like that song. I still don't like it. I've listened to it a handful of times not not as many as I've listened to the rest of that album. Yeah, but you know, it's the fact that I can tell you that I don't like it and that you aren't offended by it man, I work.

Speaker 2: 44:52

I I have to work on not taking things personally. You know what let's take a commercial for not take. This is a commercial for not taking things personally. You know what let's take a commercial for not taking. This is a commercial for not taking things personally. Okay, whenever anybody says something to you, whether it's a reply or, you know, just the back and forth conversation you know, don't take it personal, agree, okay, don't take it to heart, because it's just a reflection of what that person is going through at the time and you don't know what that situation is or the the small things that lead up to that. So I want to thank everybody out there for taking a second to not take things personally what I'd also I'd say to that, just before the this little commercial bit ends, is we still have 10 seconds.

Speaker 1: 45:44

Yeah, yeah, paid for tons Um is the fact that you you can't just, you know, be so um, have your heart in the project so much that you can't take the criticism, because sometimes, sometimes, the criticism is is a little bit harsh, and you know, I'll say what I just said you know about.

Speaker 2: 46:08

leave me be that was a little bit you know it was blunt. No, no, you know what it's you the point that we're trying to make it it's exactly where it should be. It's. I'm glad we from you saying that we took it to the this commercial, because I need to tell myself that commercial a lot and you know what I think we, we all should, and I'm I'm gonna, at one time or at some time I'm gonna have my really good friend, crystalline pet, come in and speak and we actually might go to her pretty cool setup of a studio and do a podcast there and we dive deep into not taking things personally, exactly Because you get so caught up in it and it doesn't reflect well on you.

Speaker 1: 46:59

It doesn't reflect well on whatever you're working on or representing. But then also it just makes things so much harder because you then end up with someone thinking that that's how you think and it's not so personal. You can have your heart and soul into something, but sometimes the feedback is needed. You need a little bit of a reality check, and the other kind of flip side to that is you're not going to please everyone.

Speaker 2: 47:28

Yes, good point.

Speaker 1: 47:31

The reason that there's all these different music artists about is because everyone's got different styles, different tastes, different genres for sure that they're interested in, and so you know there's a an ultimate sense of not caring, um, not in like a snobby. Uh, you know I'm, I'm better than you snobby yep, in a. In a I'm better than you way. But more from the point of view of I know that I'm not going to please you, even if I do change things, you know you'll still. Yeah, how do?

Speaker 2: 48:05

I know what I'm aiming for. You know you're giving me a feedback of what you don't like. Maybe I think something that would be even more constructive would be maybe giving feedback and saying like why or like what it is that you don't like. You know like I think that's you know, but it's like, if somebody takes it personal, it's just like, it's like a, it's like, yeah, you get all defensive about it. No, it wasn't high enough.

Speaker 1: 48:33

Yes, it was yeah, and and so you know that's, that's kind of my end to the the commercial break for, uh, you know, for it all. So, uh, I forget what we were talking about so um, you know what.

Speaker 2: 48:48

I will be honest, I lost my train of thought after the um commercial oh, open lines of communication we're talking about how I really don't like.

Speaker 1: 48:57

leave me be and just going back to that, um, you know we were able to talk openly, and so that's another thing. Is that, like he's not defend andrew, you're not defensive about your projects, but at the same time, I feel you know that my feedback, that you know, when he sends me a song on the SoundCloud and stuff like that, I'll listen to it and I'll give him five to 10 points of feedback. I really like what you did here. I like the instrumental bit here. I really think that this would work well for a music video and things like that, and you take that on board, which I really value, because there's some people that I do creative projects for and they're they're very set in their ways and there's no kind of wiggle room for, uh, I would say, extra creativity I would say something maybe like the ideas get lost in the ether, they're just not really heard.

Speaker 1: 49:59

Yeah, exactly, and so some people have their ears switched off and other people have it kind of partially open. They'll try a few things Right.

Speaker 2: 50:08

A little tuner.

Speaker 1: 50:09

Yeah, it's like AM FM you know, yeah, and so sometimes there's a little bit of static in there. Oh right, yeah, little bit of static in there, all right, yeah, but, um, but I would, I would say for you that you know everything's open all the way because it's um, you know, I'll give feedback and there's a lot of times that you know we'll spend like two, three hours on a call just going through. I like this. No, I don't. I like this. No, I don't, let me, let me break it down a little bit.

Speaker 2: 50:34

I think this will be quite helpful for some artists. Uh, let's, let's break down a song release checklist real quick. Okay, you know, first thing is the song. Okay, you want a mastered version of the song, you want MP3 and WAV, and you know, this isn't exact, but this is just a little bit of a blueprint or a guide, if I will. Okay, yeah, and we have this in Google Drive and it's just a Google sheet. You know, it's like an Excel spreadsheet that your mom and stuff and like people used to yeah With little tick boxes.

Speaker 2: 51:08

Yeah, made back in the day. Okay, well, you know what. Learn how to use one, because you can put a lot of information in a small sector and it can be individualized. Okay, and you're going to have all of your songs on the left-hand side and on the top. There's going to be checks throughout the whole thing. Okay, there's going to be yeses, there's going to be nos, there's going to be NAs, don't applies, okay, and then there might be some other things that are in between there.

Speaker 2: 51:36

But you need your cover art. Okay. You need your lyrics transcribed. Okay, you want to make your press release All right?

Speaker 2: 51:45

So a lot of people don't want to take advantage of a press release. We do, okay, press release for every single song that's out there. And now we've taken on writers to. Really, there's something so cool about being able to hear and understand my song in a way that I haven't been able to before and when you know you've done that for me, and taking the time to learn how to write a proper press release and what's included, and all the seo stuff that's included in that really helps your website get seen by the people it should. I'm super appreciative of that.

Speaker 2: 52:22

Okay, you need your your lyrics transcribed. You also need to have a distributor that you're going to. You know that you're going to distribute it through. There's many different types and kinds. I'm with Symphonic Distribution right now and I'm pretty happy with happy with what's going on, but I know there's a lot of other ones out there. And then, from there on, if you have a music video, if you have a lyric video, if you maybe even get an AI video done for it, you want to release as much stuff on YouTube as you can possible that's horizontal, and then you want to film some shorts with your vertical content. I really need to work on all these things as well, but these are just some of the things, and one of the things that I really love is the QR code.

Speaker 1: 53:10

Okay, oh yeah, this is something that Chris came to me with that I am to die for, okay, and this thing has really changed the way that I've been able to get the the music out it started very interestingly because I was going around and you know, in some of the kind of suburban areas you had, um, bourbons, yeah, there's some of the bourbons, bourbon areas where you know, on the on the lampposts and and things like that yep, different stickers, qr codes, um, but the one flaw that I always found was that there was not really much extra context. It was sort of the qr code, that was it, and so what I wanted to try with andrew and this was another um kind of project that we worked on where it was, he's taken a chance on me to deliver something that has turned out to be really, really great was designing these stickers with a little bit of an extra bit at the bottom that says scan this to listen to AWOL Artist.

Speaker 2: 54:16

You've got to know what it is.

Speaker 1: 54:17

Yes, people scanning it are already receptive to the fact that it's going to be something that they're going to be listening to yep, they'll have it to their ears, ready to go and we use a service that allows us to track the amount of clicks, uh or scans.

Speaker 1: 54:31

Sorry that it has, and so somebody could be clicking that thing right now exactly scan it and with the, because I'm trying to think when we started, I think it was like 2022. Yeah, so it's been a good while that we've had these QR codes, and I think you probably had like, over the course of those two years, like 3,000 printed, yeah, at least, and like we'll go around those things, yeah, everywhere. Yeah, bank atms, parking machines, bathroom stalls, lampos, post not post boxes in the us, because that's that we don't do that yeah, um, but yeah read is italian ice.

Speaker 2: 55:15

Yeah, you know, right atms I think you said that. So anywhere somebody's to stop and be like huh.

Speaker 1: 55:20

Yeah, what's going on here?

Speaker 2: 55:22

And you know what? My favorite is going up to the toll and just going smack and then just driving through.

Speaker 1: 55:31

I didn't know you did that. That's a new one for me.

Speaker 2: 55:33

Dude, that was the idea from the homie. He was like you should get stickers and do this, and I was like you know what I was like? That's a good idea and I lived to be able to do that. So thanks for the inspiration.

Speaker 1: 55:46

But, yeah, just being able to do that was just like whoa and we were looking at, you know, the kind of information panel and seeing you know we were getting scans. You know that that started off small but then it picked up really quick. We were getting like five a day, which was per our metrics, considering that it would have been zero. Um, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2: 56:11

Yeah, you know, all around the world I think the cool thing about that is all around the world and the the reason for that is anywhere I traveled yeah, or anywhere anyone either yeah, he, anyone that I either gave the sticker to or sent stickers to wherever they went as well.

Speaker 2: 56:31

So, like it's like two levels. Yeah, kevin bacon out there. Okay, that's what, it is all right and let me tell you, it's cool because, let me, let me, let me put one thing out there. That's really important with a QR code. There's two types of QR codes. There's a static QR code and there's a dynamic.

Speaker 2: 56:48

Good point, good point, okay. And the static QR code is one that you can't change. And I change by, say, you put the sticker up today and someone scans it oh cool, it's your current release, all right. Well, tomorrow or next week comes up and I want that same sticker that's already been slapped up on the toll to be a different track that I'm promoting, because it's been a week later. I got a new track out being able to change that. That is a dynamic QR code and it's very important that that's what you have.

Speaker 1: 57:28

The way to describe it is more of like a redirect. So we've got the QR code pointing to one place and then it stems off to wherever we need it to be. So at the moment it's for or for. Most of the time it's always to. Whatever the current release is, um, but say, if we wanted to, we could have it go to, um, you know?

Speaker 2: 57:53

video page or the youtube or the instagram. Yeah, it can, it can go anywhere.

Speaker 1: 57:58

So it's very versatile and for you know the fact that we've done it and we put them everywhere like it's cheap.

Speaker 2: 58:06

That's one of the cheapest form of guerrilla marketing that you can, and something we we really want to talk about is cost-effective ways.

Speaker 1: 58:26

What do you think are some other cost-effective ways for an artist to get their music heard or named or brand out there? Well, I was just going to finish off on what you were saying there about going around. It's like killing two birds with one stone. You did it when you went to greece. I've done it around london in the uk. I've done it to other places in the uk as well. Um, I'm trying to think you've been all around iceland, ireland, baltimore, pennsylvania yeah, you've, you're, it's everywhere. And brazil, yeah, and so.

Speaker 1: 58:59

And so we get all types of scans, because sometimes we can see what the approximate….

Speaker 2: 59:06

And Nick shout out to Nick too. My little mans, I had to do that, sorry. No, you do that.

Speaker 1: 59:11

And yeah, you see all these different locations. You think these people are consuming my content, whether they're scanning it and then immediately closing it. I think?

Speaker 2: 59:20

do you think a lot of people do that. If, let it be, came up everybody. I swear, if it was leave me be the exit.

Speaker 1: 59:29

I'd be peeling that sticker back off and scrunching it up and throwing it in your phone.

Speaker 2: 59:33

The next time, if lean evie ever plays on your phone again, yeah, just burn it, burn the damn thing. No, I'm glad you told me that though it's it helped, it really does help me kind of practice what I'm trying to preach, I guess yeah, and it's just like you know they'll, they'll scan them.

Speaker 1: 59:53

But I think on an emotional level, you see the people coming in from you know different parts of Brazil, reykjavik in Iceland, and you know London and Dublin and things like that, and you see that on the panel. You think my music or, in your context, your music is worldwide.

Speaker 1: 1:00:13

I found you when I was sitting in my bedroom in the UK and uk and you know the fact that then your music is going out to people that you know can basically listen to it anywhere, bar maybe, like north korea. Um, is is really cool because you end up with such an international audience that doesn't necessarily speak the same language, but they all speak the language of music dude, let me tell you something.

Speaker 2: 1:00:38

You reaching out to me has changed my freaking life and I'm so appreciative of you and all of the other, the pieces of the puzzle that has become what I'm proudly able to call.

Speaker 1: 1:00:54

You know just my, my musical brand, and empire empire right, we got to reach for the, for the, for the skies for sure, and I'd say it's an empire as well, because it's not just me and it's not just myself and the people that are part of my company. You've got everything and it's very developed.

Speaker 1: 1:01:13

I think the one thing that um happened kind of when I came into the picture with a wall, was you made your team and you've got your kind of like inner circle and I'd say that's, that's me that's what I'm at, for sure um, but then you've got your, you know your support network and everyone that's there that is able to, you know, help, help you do what you do and it becomes an empire because there's just so many people involved in the music that you make.

Speaker 1: 1:01:54

It's not just thanks for saying that, it's not just Thanks for saying that, it's not just you singing into a little SM7. It's you going singing, making the lyrics and then coming to me and then saying I need cover art, I need a press release and I need the website updated. And then you going back to your sound engineers and saying I need it mixed, mastered and then put up for release. I need little edits done for social media, things like that that you, you know, kind of pick points throughout and, again, using the song release checklist helps clarify the direction that you go in. But it's the fact that you've got you know you're. You're not just a wall, a wall is we're not AWOL is us.

Speaker 1: 1:02:38

Us. Yeah, that's our thing, it's a collective term.

Speaker 2: 1:02:41

It's a we thing, Exactly, man dude. Really thank you for painting that picture for me. It really is awesome to be able to know that I'm headed, that we're headed in the right direction, and I want to thank you for that Seriously.

Speaker 1: 1:02:59

Definitely Do me a favor.

Speaker 2: 1:03:01

Look up there and thank whoever you think lives up in the sky, For sure you know. Let people know what we were, you know, originally trying to get to and the goals that we're trying to, you know, help people understand.

Speaker 1: 1:03:24

Yeah, I think you were saying about like the technology, and you know kind of how I've come into play with that, your passion for it.

Speaker 2: 1:03:35

I think finding one thing that I really want to try and get across in this podcast is, you know, finding a passion, and it's going to take a few before you find the one, and you know what, there's people out there who have never found it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:54

Okay, so you know, be grateful for the fact that you still have an opportunity to yeah, you got brenda, who's you know, working 50 years at the same grocery store packing bag. Did she just? Pull brenda, oh my god, I just pulled the brenda card. You did pull that brandy card. I mean you know, hey, dude, it's you're right, I mean, but that's, you know exactly what you're saying. There's so many people that you that don't kind of put themselves not even out there, but even just kind of touch.

Speaker 1: 1:04:23

Nudge, a little nudge, a little nudge, put their tone on and I know from just knowing your background and things like that, like in the previous episodes of Respecting Perspectives, your music background goes way back and and that's the one thing that you know I would say loads more people need to do is just dip their toe in, try something new, do something that they haven't done before, and if they have done it before, maybe try and do it a different way.

Speaker 1: 1:04:56

There's not. I mean obviously, don't get me wrong. There are certain ways, certain practices, things that you do, where there's only one way of doing it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:04

There's a way to throw a fishing rod.

Speaker 1: 1:05:06

Yeah, there's a way to throw a fishing rod.

Speaker 2: 1:05:08

I mean actually you know what so many ways to do so many things.

Speaker 1: 1:05:14

There's a certain structure for certain things, and this also leads into one of the talking points. You know, for me being a guest on your podcast, it's kind of there's so many things where it depends and that was one thing that I think I was really good at not to kind of toot my own horn Do-do you get a little sound effect in there. Kind of toot my own horn, you get a little sound effect in there. But, um, just being aware of there's many ways to do different things and a lot of it will depend on context that you kind of just have to to suss out, you suss out the situation. You can't just go in there sometimes and have the full understanding, the full scope.

Speaker 2: 1:06:03

You usually don't. You don't usually ever have, like the full scope of anything. Yeah, you know, even I guess, even like, well, I guess, your life, you have the full scope on that. Yeah, because you're in control of it, yeah, anything else.

Speaker 1: 1:06:16

I mean I guess that's out of scope, dude, yeah and it's like you know, when you know I put my fist out, you know, to give me a fist bump there we go, and that's reading, reading the room, getting that context and, and you know, again, it depends if I, if I put my fist bump out and I, or if I put my fist out and I didn't know you, you kind of be questioning like, like what?

Speaker 2: 1:06:37

was he doing? What was he doing Depends on if he had any like rings on or anything, you know. Yeah, a little knuckle-duster action.

Speaker 1: 1:06:46

But yeah, I mean it just goes to. You know, it depends. There's so many things that you've done where the context has probably been the most important thing, because without the context it's just um monotone. But you've been able to use the different contexts, um, you know, one one more recent example was when, um, I was doing some late shifts with my regular day job, and it was something where I wasn't really giving my 100% to you and your music and you were able to one kind of call me out for it, which fair play.

Speaker 1: 1:07:33

But then two, having the context after the fact, because we called and we said or I said to you, hey, I'm working some really late shifts. You then took that context and were able to work around my timeline and be able to put things in the schedule that were digestible enough for me to still work on and then start getting other people, still be focused with your personal life. Yeah, and keeping an equilibrium.

Speaker 2: 1:08:05

Balance, all about balance. Yeah, equilibrium an equilibrium.

Speaker 1: 1:08:09

Balance is all about balance.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

Yeah, equilibrium.

Speaker 1: 1:08:11

Equilibrium I like that word, that's pretty cool and yeah, so you were able to do that with the additional context that there's certain things that need to be accounted for, obviously notwithstanding another word that I like there's certain situations where you just can't plan for it. Something happens and it just clicks. You need to get up and go to the hospital for something that's happened, or you forgot that you had an appointment, or things like that and you just need to kind of pivot you do a 180.

Speaker 1: 1:08:47

And that's something that I think again, you know we're we're quite good at. We're very dynamic and able to adapt to different situations dude.

Speaker 2: 1:08:57

Uh, this, listen man. This conversation has been freaking amazing and like getting to hear some of the the talking points behind. You know some of the ways.

Speaker 1: 1:09:11

Yeah, getting it out there.

Speaker 2: 1:09:12

Dude, and it really ties true to you. Know, you just said it like putting yourself out there, you know, and sometimes when you're putting yourself out there it's kind of vulnerable. You know what I mean. Yeah, Like you're kind of putting your emotions and your song itself so that that way you can connect in a way that you know it can be felt by by everyone. Yeah, you know who goes through emotions.

Speaker 1: 1:09:56

It's like with the press releases like you know, we try and, or I try and say, you know, certain emotions that someone might feel when they're listening to, to a particular track, but it all depends on what someone else takes from it. I can give little tidbits of, you know, oh, this song's a little bit more melancholy and sad and solemn and stuff like that. Or this one's really upbeat and it's kind of, like, you know, hype and things like that. But again, going back to context, someone else may listen to it and think I'm in a tough situation. This song is my, my motivation, and there's been times where I've listened to your music, um, and it's got me, not, uh, you know, solely through, because you know there's other factors and things like that. But I would say having the music is one part of the process, right, and you know, especially like the relationship that you know we've got with your music is very, very unique and I would say that 9 out of 10.

Speaker 1: 1:11:07

Ten people, 9.95 out of 10 people wouldn't have that relationship with the music that they consume wouldn't be able to understand or, I guess, get to a particular type of exactly level yeah, agree, 100, and it's just something where I've been able to use it to help me through things. And I've told you how it relates to what I'm going through, and then you said oh, I never, never thought about that or, you know, hadn't conceived that it could help someone in that situation.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

Damn Shout out to the podcast, being able to, you know, help somebody through something man.

Speaker 1: 1:11:47

Music is the medicine. Music is the medicine.

Speaker 2: 1:11:48

Music is the medicine so let me ask you something. I mean, I love that right. Music is the medicine. Let me ask you you know, are there any things that? Is there anything that you want to leave? Um, you know the, the guests with um, either you know something, maybe unique about yourself, or maybe a secret that you know you never told anybody, or like I don't know something, like something stupid. It's not really like if you had a superpower, if you had any superpower, if I had a superpower, it'd probably be teleportation.

Speaker 1: 1:12:26

Damn, I'm a guy who there's 24 where do you go?

Speaker 1: 1:12:32

I'm everywhere and that's what some of the people that know me, um, you know, even like you know back in the uk, um they'll say you know, you're such a busy guy and there's 24 hours in a day and I I use 23 of them like I, I will I will do everything in my power to make sure that I'm getting as much done, I'm as productive as possible and that there's, um, you know, kind of just extra bits that I can do to either make my life easier in the future so you know doing little setups for you know, tomorrow's work, um or I'm doing work that is able to help other people and I'm very much an advocate for, you know, doing one kind thing a day and making sure that you're, you're giving back, sometimes shout out to kindness.

Speaker 1: 1:13:24

Yeah, exactly, there's. There's certain things where you kind of have to bite your lip and be like, yeah, I'm giving my time and I'm not being paid for it, but it's helping someone out massively.

Speaker 2: 1:13:36

I like that you're getting that message out here.

Speaker 1: 1:13:38

Yeah, it's just plain and simple kindness that I think a lot more people need to demonstrate. A lot of people. You ask them, you say you know, help someone, and they go, yeah, yeah, okay, and they'll agree with the message, but then they won't actually go and do it, and I think the demonstration aspect of you know, acting on kindness is something that needs to be a lot more prevalent. Uh, in in today. So making sure that you're going out and you're doing your good deed, it doesn't have to be anything large. Uh, you know, a really cliche one is opening the door for someone and even like when you and I went out for breakfast this morning um, you know, you open the door for the, for the lady in the wheelchair oh shoot, thanks, man and you know it's just little things like that that you know people pick up on.

Speaker 1: 1:14:31

As you know it builds your character. You know you're a kind guy at heart already, but then to demonstrate that you go out and you hold the door open and not through like a pity or anything like that, you're just doing it out of of you know, it's just part of my mindset.

Speaker 2: 1:14:50

Just open the door and it goes a long way dude, I love that we can have a conversation that goes from what your superpower is to you know, being being kind, and kindness is the superpower.

Speaker 1: 1:15:02

Kindness is the super along with teleportation Along with teleportation Along with teleportation.

Speaker 2: 1:15:07

Dude, listen, man, I really am so appreciative to have you on the Respecting Perspectives podcast and it's an honor to. Any time you're coming around Philly or Baltimore we can hit this up again. We can talk about so many things as much as we want to come, come up with, we really can.

Speaker 1: 1:15:28

And, uh, I'm excited for your, your future as as an entrepreneur well, I think the one final thing which, um we were talking about earlier was that a phone you know it doesn't have to be the latest iphone- but just a phone which actually you know or you got

Speaker 2: 1:15:47

your one. Okay, I got, I got a segment real quick. Let's do a side segment real quick, yeah, all right. Hello, who's this? Oh, this is chris's younger self. Okay, okay, I see you. Um, yes, uh, you know what actually? Um, I got somebody with hang up, hang up, hang up, no, ain't that, ain't adding if you can't plead the. I got somebody with me Hang up, hang up, hang up, no, ain't adding in If you can't plead the fifth. I got somebody with me right now who just wants to have a little conversation with you real quick and just maybe, you know, just talk to you for a second man. Here you go, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:16:21

You have reached the voicemail of Chris. Please leave a message after the tone beep now. Um, what I would say to my younger self is you tell him, dude, get, get started earlier. Um, you know, just do everything that you feel like you can do, try something new, uh, and take risks not rest, not reckless risks, but take risks, um, because there are certain things where you reach an age where you don't have the ability to pull the I'm just a kid card and you should be trying to pull that as often as possible, in my opinion. Um, you know, you, you start from a young age, you develop your skills and your talents and you want to try and just do everything. Do everything once. Does he hear you?

Speaker 2: 1:17:17

yeah, I think he does he's still connected, love it I love it, dude, I love it.

Speaker 1: 1:17:21

And yeah, just just make sure that you're still doing. You're doing your thing. You have your core interests and your core beliefs, but it doesn't hurt to, you know, try something different every once in a while.

Speaker 2: 1:17:33

So I'll pass you back. Yeah, listen, you end up being a pretty cool mofo. All right, peace, all right. Listen, thank you so much for being here, dog man, this has been amazing, amazing man. I'll remember this forever. And dude, our story is something that I will forever be grateful for, and I'm so excited to be able to use this relationship and and turn it into you know what it is what it is and what it could be that we don't even know about yet, and it all started just with just the phone just with the phone and on the request line and being able to make that text message to you was, was the most transformative thing.

Speaker 1: 1:18:19

I think you know sending that text message saying yo, I've, I've found your music. Can I listen?

Speaker 2: 1:18:26

Nice man. Thank you so much for opening up and maybe talking about some things that are kind of close to your heart. But you know what man? Getting that stuff out and being able to hear it for yourself, yeah get it on the record.

Speaker 2: 1:18:40

Yeah, get it on the record at times when you were proud and times where you were excited and times where you were ornery, and times where you were excited in times where you were, we're uh, ornery and times where where you were just like kind of delicate, you know like you like you're dealing with situations and there's so much going on around you and you know what I'm proud of you for for all of us, for you know showing up for each other and and and you know doing doing what's right and and honestly like doing what's kind. So let's end it on the kindness note. All right, yo do something kind for somebody today. All right, awol and Chris, peace Out, peace, I'm out.